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Tandy
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Metronet email

Hi folks

Had my metronet email for 25 years+ so not really wanting to change it.

I have an ongoing issue with sending mail (primarily when on my mobile).

I've tried pretty much every combination of options/ports etc on the email setting page but it always comes back server not available etc.

Incoming mail is fine using imap.metronet.co.uk

Tried imap, relay and smtp.metronet.co.uk and every ssl tls and port combination but no joy.

Any suggestions?
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MatthewWheeler
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Re: Metronet email

Hi @Tandy 

The correct server is smtp.metronet.co.uk so this should be working

Out of curiosity if you try logging into the webmail here does this let you login?

You should be able to login with the full e-mail address and password

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Tandy
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Re: Metronet email

Hi Matthew

I've tried smtp.metronet.co.uk but get the server not available message. What port and TLS / SSL option should I use.

Yes I can log into webmail and I can receive mail fine. It's just sending that's the issue.
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Re: Metronet email

@Tandy  Silly question but in the Outgoing section do you have the username and password filled in? A lot of the time it says optional you see.

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Tandy
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Re: Metronet email

Yep full email in user

And

Password

Same as for the incoming. Get the incoming, no responce to server on outgoing
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Re: Metronet email

I have sent you a private message @Tandy 

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Townman
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Re: Metronet email


@Tandy wrote:
I have an ongoing issue with sending mail (primarily when on my mobile).
Tried imap, relay and smtp.metronet.co.uk and every ssl tls and port combination but no joy.

Any suggestions?

...

Yes I can log into webmail and I can receive mail fine. It's just sending that's the issue.


Have you read this - https://community.plus.net/t5/Email/How-to-change-your-outgoing-server-on-a-mail-client/m-p/1606155#... ?

For crystal clarity can you SEND emails from Webmail?  If you cannot send emails from Webmail then there is a fundamental server side configuration issue ... though the issues we have seen before are supposed to have been resolved.

Have you by chance changed the mailbox's password?

The legacy fee free email accounts allowed email to be received but not sent via Plusnet servers; there was an option (for a fee) to continue to use Plusnet's outbound email servers.  Two events changed all of that (a) the new billing system could not bill for email only and (b) the initial implementation of SPF mandated that all @plusnet-domains.co.uk users MUST send their email via Plusnet's mail servers.

Therefore all legacy email accounts became fee-free and everyone could use the outbound servers.  Subsequently SPF was replaced in favour of DKIM ... and somewhere in this mix the right to use the outbound servers became "confused".

That "confusion" became manifest upon changing the email account password.  In such circumstances IIRC it was not possible to SEND email via Webmail - this is an acid test!!!

 

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If you can send via webmail, then there are a lot of other details to be explored.

Are you still a Plusnet Broadband user and are you connecting over that link NOT using VPN?

Do you get this issue on every device or just the mobile phone?

What phone / email application?

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Tandy
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Re: Metronet email

Hi Townman

Thanks for the email.

Yes I can send and reply with webmail

I use a Samsung s23 with the Samsung email app.

I receive using:
imap.metronet.co.uk
No security
Full email and password

I've tried to sends with
Smtp.metronet.co.uk
Tried TLS and no security
Tried ports 587 and 25
Full email and password

Get

Couldn't verify account
Server does not support authentication

Or the user name and/or password is incorrect OR POP3/imap is not turned on for your account.

Any suggestions?
Townman
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Re: Metronet email

IMAP - where you say "No Security" I think you mean "No encryption" - without security (access credentials) you cannot access the service at all.

 

The settings should be...

  • Server: smtp.metronet.co.uk
  • Port: 587
  • Username:* Full email address fred@metronet.co.uk
  • Password: Whatever
  • Encryption:** None

* Does the setting for the OUTBOUND server have the option of "same as inbound server"?

** Not using encryption until you get this working will help eliminate additional complications

Do you have this working on a PC email client?  If yes, you should double check the settings and compare.

If it does not work on your PC, try this SMTP diagnostic test...

Test SMTP authentication

Email programs often report username / password error for issues not actually related to those being wrong, but for other connectivity issues. Such can be very frustrating when you are convinced that they are correct. Testing SMTP authentication through a command line interface can deliver a more precise error message. The following describes how to do this using TELNET.

This is not difficult, but you need the following resources which might be unfamiliar...

  1. TELNET - this might need installing as an additional option, for Windows see enabling TELNET.
  2. A code64 encoder / decoder such as this.

You can use TELNET to communicate direct with the SMTP server as follows...

Open the code64 encoder in a web browser and leave ready for use in the following steps.

Launch a windows command line window (DOS window) - press windows-key+R - type CMD into the run box - click OK

Enter...

telnet relay.plus.net 587

Press enter. Note if you use one of the other brand email services, use the appropriate SMTP server name for that brand. In response to SMTP server I'm here message, say 'HELLO'...

EHLO relay.plus.net

The SMTP server will then report what it can do after which tell the server you wish to authenticate...

AUTH login

The server should return the following, which is a base64 encoded string that requires your username:

334 VXNlcm5hbWU6

Use the code64 encoder to encode your username and paste it into the telnet window and press enter. For example:

bXl1c2VybmFtZQ==

The server should return the following, which is a base64 encoded string that requires your password:

334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6

Paste the base64 encoded password for the username. For example:

bXlwYXNzd29yZA==

The server will then report success or failure, any failure message should clearly indicate the reason for the failure. If the reason for the failure is not clear, please report back the message.

Close the SMTP / TELNET session by entering

quit

The session should look something similar to the below wherein your input is in bold...

220 avasout03 smtp relay.plus.net
EHLO relay.plus.net
250-avasout03 hello [your IP address], pleased to meet you
250-HELP
250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN
250-SIZE 104857600
250-PIPELINING
250-8BITMIME
250-STARTTLS
250 OK
AUTH LOGIN
334 VXNlcm5hbWU6
bXl1c2VybmFtZQ==
334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6
bXlwYXNzd29yZA==
235 ... authentication succeeded
quit
221 avasout03 smtp closing connection
Connection to host lost.

Here are some examples of failure responses...

535 ...authentication rejected [as username / password is wrong]
535 ...authentication rejected as source IP has a poor reputation
535 Too many SMTP auth failures. Please try again later.

 

Unlike an email client, this test is discerning about the cause of the connection failure; if the second or third response is returned, there's nothing wrong with the settings, however too many failures will have blackballed your connection.

I note that you have not indicated how you are connected to the internet in the circumstances of failure.  A comparison to what works is a useful point of reference.

 

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Tandy
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Re: Metronet email

Hi Townman

I've finally managed to get it to work with:

smtp.metronet.co.uk
port 25

SSL/ TLS - set to NONE

myemail@metronet.co.uk and password

It says server does not support TLS or SSL when I select one of those.

Not idea but at least it works.

Bit surprising as the guides say that TLS should work.

Kevin

Townman
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Re: Metronet email

Hi Kevin,

The port should be 587 as port 25 is more correctly for MX to MX (email relay servers) interconnection.  Port 587 is designated for email message submission.

Indeed port 587 does not support TLS or SSL, but it does support STARTTLS ... however some deficient email clients do not offer that encryption option.

If your client does not offer the full set of encryption options, then sometimes SSL will work if (like on an iPhone) that indicates to the device to try all known encryption methods.

Alternatively you could fallback to the deprecated (should not be used) port 465 which will work with SSL.

HTH

Kevin

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Tandy
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Re: Metronet email

Hi 

Port 587 with no security, SSL or TLS all say - unable to connect to email server to verify your account information.  No response from server

Port 465 also says the same.

Very odd isn't it?

K

 

Townman
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Re: Metronet email

That somewhat points to an issue with the email client - what is it?

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Tandy
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Re: Metronet email

I tried telnet from my laptop (using wifi and also using my phone network) and got 'could not open connection to the host, on port 587 connect failed 

Townman
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Re: Metronet email

Very odd - me too.  I will escalate.

 

EDIT: Done.

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