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Landline closure?
26-08-2023 4:12 PM
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Re: Landline closure?
26-08-2023 4:18 PM - edited 26-08-2023 4:28 PM
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Hi Becca,
Openreach are turning all PSTN landlines off nationally on 31/12/2025 (they use old technology, that is too expensive to upgrade for the relatively small number of people who want them). To get ready for this all new PlusNet contracts won't have landline any more. If you renew your contract it will be converted to what is known as SOGEA (basically broadband without a dial tone) and your phone number will be lost.
Unfortunatly PlusNet won't provide you with a landline any more. If you want to keep your landline number you need to port it to a VoIP provider, and then connect your phone to a telephone adaptor which plugs into your router. In theory you have 30 days from when you upgrade to SOGEA for a VoIP provider to port your old number to VoIP - this area is pretty new, and there is risk you may end up loosing your number. All in all, it's a bit of a mess to be honest, and hasn't been that widely talked about in the general media.
Re: Landline closure?
26-08-2023 4:52 PM
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As stated you will need to set up a VOIP account if you want to keep using a land line. If you want to keep your phone number then you need to "port" it out ASAP after your account changes to SOGEA.
You'll need to research VOIP providers in advance so you have an idea of what to do. A&A seem to be a reliable provider basedon comments on this forum. See
https://www.aa.net.uk/voice-and-mobile/voip-information/
Brian
Re: Landline closure?
26-08-2023 5:12 PM
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Alternatively you could move your broadband and phone to a supplier that provides Digital Voice - BT EE Sky or Talk Talk and others
Re: Landline closure?
26-08-2023 5:17 PM - edited 26-08-2023 5:17 PM
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Lots of other threads here about this, worth a read as I think just about evrey base has been covered:
https://community.plus.net/t5/Home-Phone/landlines-are-being-fazed-out/td-p/1932724
https://community.plus.net/t5/Home-Phone/Voice-migration/td-p/1932900
https://community.plus.net/t5/Home-Phone/phone-change-over/td-p/1933885
https://community.plus.net/t5/Home-Phone/Will-plusnet-provide-a-voip-landline-service/td-p/1898912
https://community.plus.net/t5/Home-Phone/Switching-from-FTTC-to-a-VOIP-service/td-p/1932695
FWIW, I've bought a Cisco SPA112 analogue telephone adapter, connected it to my phone and broadband router and set up a VOIP service using Andrews & Arnold (£1.44/month, plus call charges). Works fine, no difference between using the phones with VOIP or using them plugged into the PSTN landline. If anything the voice quality on VOIP might be very slightly better than the landline, although our landline has always tended to be a little bit noisy at times.
Re: Landline closure?
26-08-2023 5:41 PM
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Plusnet’s T&Cs state that they are compliant with Ofcom’s General Conditions, so that all sounds good. However, there is much confusion at Plusnet over whether they actually support this post contract porting. I was keen to ensure that the process would run smoothly when upgrading to Full Fibre (FTTP), as my mother was very attached to the number in question, having had the same number for 60 years. I have today spent about 1:30 on the phone to Plusnet, exploring this topic. For the first 1:25, the message was a catagorical “you will lose your old number if you don’t port it prior to to cessation of your landline”. This message was repeated by multiple advisors from different departments. Each checked that they were giving me accurate information. I therefore raised an official complaint with them of non-compliance with Ofcom’s General Conditions. This prompted one further internal enquiry, this time to the ‘early life’ department (presumably, referring to early contract life issues). The outcome of this final enquiry was that Plusnet are indeed compliant with the regulations. I was given some history on this: Plusnet have had a system of internally quarantining landline numbers for quite some time – to allow them to reconnect Plusnet customers with their landline number in case of certain technical issues/lapsed contracts etc. However, in recent times, the quarantined number has been made available to other providers, thus supporting the Ofcom requirements on number porting after a landline contract has ended. Ofcom state that the request must be made within 1 month of termination.
So, if you get pushback from Plusnet, refer them to this post. Another problem that you may encounter is that some VoIP providers don’t understand the situation (e.g. Vonage currently state on their website that the landline must be live at the time of the request, otherwise you will lose the number). If that happens to you, explain to them that the number is still available for transfer (despite not showing as live) and that if they make the request, the number will be released. One provider who appears to understand the process is Andrews and Arnold - so you might want to have a look at them.
I’ve gone into a lot of detail in this post in the hope that it will help other Plusnet users who are keen to retain their landline number – and avoid them spending several hours researching the subject – with few definitive statements available on the subject online. Good luck!
Re: Landline closure?
09-09-2023 9:53 AM
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Hi and thanks for sharing.
A&A do look impressive and I have been considering using them too. They do seem to be somewhat inconsistent in their advice though. They refer to plugging in their own supplied VOIP phone to your router, as you have done with the Cisco adapter, but they also have this technical article where they say that SIP over NAT is a very bad idea and we should be using a public IP address - https://support.aa.net.uk/VoIP_NAT
Are you able to share anything about your own router configuration and the Cisco adapter configuration?
Cheers
Re: Landline closure?
09-09-2023 9:59 AM
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Also SJ, just seen that this product is no longer sold https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/unified-communications/spa112-2-port-phone-adapter/index.html
Re: Landline closure?
09-09-2023 10:25 AM
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but they also have this technical article where they say that SIP over NAT is a very bad idea and we should be using a public IP address
@encapsulated technically that's correct but in general it does work over NAT. I've been using SIP for about 5 years now over NAT, both at home and in the office PBX . The most you may need to do to work over NAT is to ensure that the sip device uses a NAT keepalive function to make sure that the 'pinhole' in the router firewall is kept open.
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Re: Landline closure?
09-09-2023 10:45 AM
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Thanks @MisterW good to know. It is just that if and when there are problems A&A imply you are on your own. My router is a Synology RT2600ac and has a SIP passthrough option - some debate about whether to enable this or disable it. Will try to find out more.
Re: Landline closure?
09-09-2023 11:07 AM
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@encapsulated many routers have a SIP ALG(or passthrough) function. In theory its a good idea but in practice many of the implementations are 'broken'. My starting point with any router is to disable it!.
There's some info here https://www.reddit.com/r/synology/comments/eprhzv/anyway_to_disable_sip_alg/
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Re: Landline closure?
09-09-2023 11:17 AM - edited 09-09-2023 11:20 AM
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@flanzm wrote:
...all new PlusNet contracts won't have landline any more. If you renew your contract it will be converted to what is known as SOGEA (basically broadband without a dial tone) and your phone number will be lost.
Just to correct this statement.
You can no longer change you current broadband service, by this I mean that, for example, you can't swap from say Fibre to Fibre Extra and keep your landline phone with Plusnet. HOWEVER, currently you can renew your current contract and keep your phone with Plusnet.
If you are not offered this online simply ring the Customer Options Team on 0800 013 2632 and ask them. With the PSTN being switched off in just over 2 years there might be a limit on the length of contract on offer. This number is normally answered pretty quickly and it costs nothing to ask.
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Re: Landline closure?
09-09-2023 12:04 PM
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Phew @Baldrick1
My contract for phone and vDSL FTTC ends in December and based on what had previously been said I was starting to panic a bit. Question I am asking myself now is should I relax until I see how long a new contract I am offered or just get on with the inevitable while I still have some brain cells left (at 78) and port my number to VOIP (most likely with A&A)?
Can you tell me - If I was to start the port now would Plusnet keep my FTTC going? Perhaps I should check that with the Customer Options Team.
Re: Landline closure?
09-09-2023 12:13 PM
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Can you tell me - If I was to start the port now would Plusnet keep my FTTC going?
No! when you port a number to voip, the landline will be ceased. Since your FTTC contract is both a landline & broadband service , the contract is terminated and the broadband ceased.
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Re: Landline closure?
09-09-2023 12:37 PM
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He He @MisterW @Baldrick1
No! when you port a number to voip, the landline will be ceased. Since your FTTC contract is both a landline & broadband service , the contract is terminated and the broadband ceased.
I guess Plusnet realise that there are likely to be advantages in having the same supplier for VOIP and Broadband? It would exercise my brain cells rather more but it has not escaped me that A&A would also give the option of taking over the vDSL FTTC.
And this all started as we heard a discussion on Radio4 You and Yours re the demise of PSTN. Have had nothing directly from Plusnet.
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