Full Fibre External cable from CSP to ONT?

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@troy45 

I would consider it highly unlikely you'd get the CSP inside. It does happen occasionally but usually in a loft space. You won't be able to speak to OR prior to the install - it just doesn't happen unless they need to do a survey for potential obstructions to the actual install.

While the CSP has to be at ground level you might get luckly on the day with the engineer happy to run the incoming fibre cable round the back to the house. It has to come down to the CSP but could then go straight back up to come in where you'd like it to.

You just don't know.

[#2]

Fair enough - I’ll have to see how it works out on the day.

Unfortunately access at rear of the house isn’t very suitable for having the CSP at ground level due to back porch, where kitchen is etc.

Think I’ll get a longer Ethernet cable ready in case I end up with the worst case option - CSP downstairs, and rig that up temporarily while I work out the best way to do the final routing.

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The main reason for a csp is to separate external cabling to internal - its easier to splice at the box outside then inside. I do think Troy should just upgrade the cable from the existing entrance point to his router to cat 5e/6.

@troy45 

you said" Currently my landline/copper fibre connection comes in from the pole, straight down to an upstairs bedroom at the front of the house" the best route atm from what you said, is to upgrade this to cat5e/6

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Slightly off at an angle alternative suggestion which will however potentially need some new equipment.

@troy45 The engineer will very likely want to install the CSP at the front of the house at ground level as noted above, with the internal kit straight through the wall from there which requires mains power.

The router can then be next to that (assuming you have enough space) and connected to whatever you need upstairs by various means.

Now I don't know the layout/size of your house or what connectivity/speed is required where, but a router downstairs will give normally some Wi-Fi coverage on both floors. Upstairs equipment can then be connected either directly to that or via some sort of network extension. That could be via WiFi to some sort of repeater, via LAN cable to a hub/repeater or directly cabled to just one device. And don't forget ethernet-over-mains connections (powerline) may help reach places where WiFi is poor. I believe that can even be used to connect to your router from the BT boxes.

Basically there are quite a few ways of doing it and you don't need to assume your router sits where it is now.

In the short term a suitable length of Cat5e cable draped around the house will probably keep you going until you decide on the best long-term solution. Maximum is around 100 metres so unless you live in a stately home it should do.

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@troy45 wrote:
Fair enough - I’ll have to see how it works out on the day.

Unfortunately access at rear of the house isn’t very suitable for having the CSP at ground level due to back porch, where kitchen is etc.

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@troy45 

My CSP is installed internally with the ONT in a different room on a different floor, and neither are in the loft.

It obviously needs agreement from the installer to locate it in an 'alternative' position, but it will mainly be down to how much 'spade work' you're prepared to undertake, see link below.

I've described my installation many times in these forums.

Edit:  typo

[#6]

@troy45 

Consider all options for the location of the ONT and what might be required to be done once installed for your setup up.

I've got 4 for you.

CSP at ground level front of house. OR then run an external ethernet cable back up the wall, round the house and in at your chosen point.

As above but OR only take the external cable back up the wall so ONT is in front bedroom.

CSP and ONT are both at front of house downstairs. You then run external cable back out, up the wall and into the front bedroom.

As above but you run the cable all the way round the house to come back in at the back bedroom.

The latter two would probably require an ethernet switch to provide connections upstairs.

Whatever happens, do let us know the end result once you have Full Fibre up and running.

Brian

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Thanks all for the in-depth help here and trying to make sense of the layout here without any pictures etc which I know isn’t ideal.

I’ve got quite a few things hard-wired into my router as I prefer that compared to WIFI - Xbox, laptop and second laptop in front bedroom that’s dedicated for a turbo trainer set-up. So actually got Ethernet connection going in there but it’s spoken for already unfortunately. Happens to be 5e spec too.

To cover my bases I’ve got a couple of spare Ethernet cables on order, had ordered 15m to cover front bedroom to router but then considering the ONT may be downstairs I needed a few extra metres as my rough measurements came to 14.5m and I’d prefer a bit more wiggle room. The most likely downstairs location for the ONT will need power closer to it so I’m weighing up routing mains from nearest socket over the door frame etc ahead of the install.

Routing external Ethernet I’m thinking up the front of the house and in through the spare room would be easiest. Not got ladders etc and getting round to the back of the house there a kitchen extension, back porch and bit of a bay window to negotiate. Maybe if can pay someone to sort that if needed - easy enough for someone who does it for a living.

If I run external Ethernet is it ok to join it to another cable once inside or better to run a single length to the router?

Resigned to probably having cables temporarily routed as worst case then I’m covered whatever the installer decides.

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@troy45 wrote:
I’ve got quite a few things hard-wired into my router as I prefer that compared to WIFI - Xbox, laptop and second laptop in front bedroom that’s dedicated for a turbo trainer set-up. So actually got Ethernet connection going in there but it’s spoken for already unfortunately. Happens to be 5e spec too.

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All that you need to do is buy an Ethernet switch, for example: https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-LS1005G-Wallmount-Ethernet-Splitter/dp/B07VWB347G/ref=sr_1_5?crid=2... and your one cable will support 4 devices.

[#9]

@troy45 

You can get ethernet connectors to join two cables together. Don't know if it makes any difference over a single cable.

If you wanted to run your own cable through walls (without too big a hole) you can buy cable and plugs along with a crimping tool to make up your own cables. Plenty of "how to" videos online. If you go down this route look at "pass through" plugs - they look easier to fit so long as you get the right crimping tool.

If you're looking to get someone in (for a neater job perhaps) then there will probably be plenty of local companies to choose from. Computer network specialists, electriians or even TV aerial installers.

Brian

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@bmc @troy45 RJ45 connectors shouldn't make any difference, certainly in a domestic environment. In a typical corporate environment there will be a 300 foot (max) cable between patch panels then a patch lead on each end so 2 junctions, sometimes more.

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@troy45 wrote:
Thanks all for the in-depth help here and trying to make sense of the layout here without any pictures etc which I know isn’t ideal.

The most likely downstairs location for the ONT will need power closer to it so I’m weighing up routing mains from nearest socket over the door frame etc ahead of the install.

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you could look at a poe injecter - one at the switch and one at the ont. If you are happier running a new socket and capable in doing so then do that.

As others have said, no two engineers are the same, hence why bnc said have as many options as possible. What might be an idea is to print out various suggestions on a diagram and hopefully you and the engineers get a workable and lasting solution