Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

[#1]

Yes, I understand that, however I would like a little bit of information now and again from Plus Net to show that they are still pursueing this matter with ACS Law.
Remember this could happen to anyone on PLUSNET, as cases have been reported in the national press about other people who are innocent who have been sent threatening letters by ACS Law.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/3010832/Max-66-accused-of-downloading-dance-music.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/scotlandfeatures/2982906/Caught-in-the-net-but-were-no-pira...

[#2]

I wonder if Plusnet will even bother to get the information from ACS if they fail to provide it as the court order stated.
Did I read all those that had letters should also get a copy or at least request it?

[#3]

Hi PlusNet, just to let you know incase you had forgotten, the 6 months period for ACS Law to provide you with a list of people who have been taken to court is up on Wednesday. I am sure a lot of your PAYING CUSTOMERS would be interested in knowing the results, and what in light of the information you are going to do?
It may be prudent to contact ACS Law to remind them of their obligation on the court order, afterall they are probably very busy sending letters of Extortion Claim to worry about providing you with the means to close them down (as regarding Plusnet anyway)
As allways i look forward to your reply

[#4]

i too am waiting for some feedback from your legal dept, would be nice if the legal dept would actively discuss this matter with us instead of comms passing very small snips of info on.
this is some what of a human rights issue with the way acs are acting and would be nice to hear direct from PN legal team
i ask all those following this thread but not posting to hold your hand up so pn can see how many customers this issue is important to, if talk talks network was any good i would certainly have them on my isp radar for there stance against acs

[#5]

I too want to know whether Plusnet has a policy with respect to its defence of court orders, especially with regard to these spammers.
Suppose I were to supply a list of valid ip addresses - is that all I have to do - and PN give me Names and Addresses?
I'm sure I could get a good price for such a list.

[#6]

According to this post BT lawyers were present and Consumer Association at High Court
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-92832.html

[#7]

I wonder why Plusnet lawyers were not recorded as being present.

[#8]

Probably too busy examining all the illegally downloaded porn  whoops I meant evidence ! 

[#9]

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Suppose I were to supply a list of valid ip addresses - is that all I have to do - and PN give me Names and Addresses?

what system of gathering the evidence is valid in the eye's of the court issuing these orders?
can i implement the same torrent ip recording program as acs and then apply to court to get the right to issue fines out to  ip address owners once` PN have bended over backwards to give me this info.
i want to know what program  acs use in gathering the ip's so we can find a loop hole in there harvesting of ip's, nothing is ever 100% fool proof, lets break there system  
just maybe we might harvest acs's ip's used to gather there evidence and in return fine them  

[#10]

Hi all,
We're still keeping tabs on this thread and are aware that the 30th June is tomorrow. If I'm honest I'm not sure how much, if any, information we will be able to share with you on top of the discussions we've already had on this but we'll keep asking.
Thanks

[#11]

hum well if PN end up not being able share with us the number of customers that was sent fine notice's vs those those that was taken to court then can we please find out from the legal dept as to what section of the order prohibits PN making this info public please

[#12]

Quote from: Asbo

i want to know what program  acs use in gathering the ip's so we can find a loop hole in there harvesting of ip's, nothing is ever 100% fool proof, lets break there system   just maybe we might harvest acs's ip's used to gather there evidence and in return fine them

No need.
Take any port scan program.
Run it against the Plusnet ip address range (if the ip address responds, then it must be switched on).
Make a note of any open ports and ip addresses.
Go to the court and ask for thousands of personal details.
Then buy some stamps and send off your threatening letters!

[#13]

Quote from: Asbo

ii ask all those following this thread but not posting to hold your hand up so pn can see how many customers this issue is important to, if talk talks network was any good i would certainly have them on my isp radar for there stance against acs

I for one don't think this is important and don't want PN to spend a fortune defending it. Perhaps I don't think it's important as ACS can find me without going to Plusnet, they only have to do a rDNS and a Whois and they will have my full name, address and telephone number.

[#14]

The "A Fox is Evil" method of acquiring IP addresses and then requesting personal details shows a simplified method to harvest details,
but presumably there must be some further EVIDENCE required to demonstrate that copyrighted material has passed to those IP addresses for ACS Law to issue threatening letters ?
[quote=Asbo Dog]...nothing is ever 100% fool proof, lets break there system
Maybe Plusnet customers need to start considering the use of internet anonymizer proxies to reduce the association between internet traffic and their IP address.
See Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymizer
and Nixie Pixels YouTube introduction to hiding your IP address
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and for Ubuntu/Linux users you can always install "anon-proxy" (or similar) from the Package Manager.

[#15]

@itsme
so you don't think a big company forcing a % of NON GUILTY people to pay £500 or go to court and face a big legal bill to defend your right of inconet till proven guilty in a court of law is not important.
well i will be sticking with davidr and fighting for are human rights as best we can. i dont like the like's of oap's being stressed(causing them ill health) by getting one of these letters when all they may have done is not know about sercuring your wireless
this is not a case of rdns whois ways of finding your address its the fact they use the guilty till proven inconect part of it i hate and will defend