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Sent emails bounced with 'Nemesis' problem
10-02-2018 12:48 PM - edited 10-02-2018 12:59 PM
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Over the last 24 hours I have had emails to two contacts bounced multiple times. They are contacts I have been emailing successfully & regularly for a number of years. Emails to other contacts seem to be delivered OK.
The initial bounced email had PDF & XL attachments but since then even a simple text 'testing' email is bounced.
I am using a personalised email address registered through my web host (like john@myname.org.uk) but I am using relay.plus.net as my outgoing mail server. I have been using this setup for about 4 years and it has mainly worked OK until now.
Any insight or suggestions please. I am puzzled as to what is happening and why only on two unconnected emails. I though maybe it would fix itself but it's been happening for over 24 hours now.
The emails are returned with a message like this: (I've removed the actual names)
Reporting-MTA: dns; avasout02 [212.159.14.17]
Received-From-MTA: dns; Jonxxx [99.999.99.99]
Arrival-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 11:42:41 +0000
Final-recipient: rfc822; xxxxxx@iname.com
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554-mail.com (mxgmxus007) Nemesis ESMTP Service not available
Last-attempt-Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 11:42:41 +0000
The other email is xxx@gmx.co.uk
Re: Sent emails bounced with 'Nemesis' problem
12-02-2018 5:16 PM
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I have the identical problem. It appears to be because the remote server i.e. at the email recipent's ISP, is considering all emails from plusnet as spam. This could be due to abnormally high traffic levels at plusnet, or an error in the DNS code. The latter seems unlikely since we can send to some recipients.
It would be good to have some response from customer support, but i am not hopeful !
Re: Sent emails bounced with 'Nemesis' problem
14-02-2018 3:43 PM
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Hi Folks
Yes I'm getting this too, specifically with a mail.com contact. On Monday the email went after 3 resends but not today.
I contacted mail.com, received an automated reply asking me to send the error details, which I did and relay.plus.net then rejected me for sending spam!!!.
Someone from plusnet will read this and reply - they've always been good in the past.
Andy
Re: Sent emails bounced with 'Nemesis' problem
14-02-2018 4:58 PM
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Just to add I'm am also having trouble sending to GMX, on Monday emails went at the second attempt but since then all have bounced. My ip address is a static one issued by Plusnet.
Steve
Re: Sent emails bounced with 'Nemesis' problem
14-02-2018 5:28 PM - edited 14-02-2018 5:29 PM
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Just to update, as the original poster, ... The problem emails eventually started going through after about 48 hours. Still no idea why they stopped or why they restarted! The problem has not recurred to date
Re: Sent emails bounced with 'Nemesis' problem
14-02-2018 6:28 PM
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Unfortunately still not working for me, I've done some checking and apparently my ip in the 80.229.x.x range is on the Spamhaus Zen PBL list, as I only use normal email software and don't run a mailserver I take it Plusnet need to put in the request to have it removed from the list and not me.
Steve
Re: Sent emails bounced with 'Nemesis' problem
14-02-2018 6:57 PM
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My 80.229.xxx.xxx IP has been on that list for many months now. I did ask if it could be remover but was advised that it shouldn't cause any issues unless I start to run a mail server.
To argue with someone who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead - Thomas Paine
Re: Sent emails bounced with 'Nemesis' problem
14-02-2018 7:05 PM
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14-02-2018 7:06 PM
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14-02-2018 8:29 PM
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I've contacted GMX I'll report back what they say.
Steve
Re: Sent emails bounced with 'Nemesis' problem
15-02-2018 3:11 PM
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Reply from GMX just received:
- The PTR-RR is a generic standard entry of your provider. Please allocate an independent and fully qualified domain name (Fully Qualified Domain Name - FQDN) to your email server and enter the corresponding valid PTR-RR.
- Individual rejection of the PTR-RR for system protection reasons.
Re: Sent emails bounced with 'Nemesis' problem
15-02-2018 5:31 PM
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@steve_arnold GMX refer to "this email server"; if you use a standard email client that isn't an email server so they shouldn't be referring to your IP. Your email client should be configured to send emails via relay.plus.net which *is* an email server and that server carries out authentication to validate you before passing the email to the GMX server.
From your earlier comments it seems sometimes GMX accept emails sent via relay.plus.net, sometimes they don't. Do you have the headers from a returned message that they rejected? Generally these are embedded in the body of the rejection message.
Re: Sent emails bounced with 'Nemesis' problem
15-02-2018 5:40 PM
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Content of last bounce, emails redacted:
This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
Delivery to the following recipients failed permanently:
* @xxxxxx@gmx.co.uk
Reason: A message that you sent to the following recipient could not be delivered due to a permanent error. ** The remote server ?? responded with: ** xxxxxx@gmx.co.uk ??:?? This message was created automatically by mail delivery software on the server .
Reporting-MTA: dns; avasout04 [212.159.14.19]
Received-From-MTA: dns; [192.168.1.100] [80.229.xxx.xxx]
Arrival-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:16:58 +0000
Final-recipient: rfc822; xxxxxx@gmx.co.uk
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554-gmx.net (mxgmx017) Nemesis ESMTP Service not available
Last-attempt-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:16:58 +0000
Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([80.229.xxx.xxx])
by smtp with ESMTP
id m2Y5eyBntlfqam2Y6elNyE; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:16:58 +0000
X-CM-Score: 0.00
X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=JdWSU3CV c=1 sm=1 tr=0
a=PAEqQyJP2UmHTn95Mvzntw==:117 a=PAEqQyJP2UmHTn95Mvzntw==:17
a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=6k3yiS8A-Q29w6Ng7soA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10
To: xxxxx <xxxxxxxx@gmx.co.uk>
From: xxxxx <xxxx@xxxxxx.plus.com>
Subject: another test
Message-ID: <8bd6bc09-1909-d4ff-3569-648d544c76f1@xxxxxx.plus.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:16:58 +0000
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/52.6.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Language: en-GB
X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfM5H534LFg3tDhU/XY1fpKW6vaT9Q9aCU0Tj0547NUOFFFRI0tJYfMY0Y6iXbQbWWygDCaseA2qZTuBKD2twgbe0cYfiUrZQZHS/qNXIxB4S9uTTBoc0
jUCMWksn3OjaktAjnXWhZFg6O2sIoUhjZAYUK+EgjwhwCW9MGvK24hbtLjJx5ByHK+YQLJoE3Zxwng==
Re: Sent emails bounced with 'Nemesis' problem
15-02-2018 8:13 PM - edited 15-02-2018 8:18 PM
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@steve_arnold Thanks, in context it's a bit easier to work out where the messages originate but some knowledge of how the process works helps.
Because the GMX server refuses to accept the messages the Plusnet MTA, avasout04.plus.net, trying to deliver it to them can only return it to you. The message came from you so that is what avasout04 reports as 'received-from'.
The message would be offered to GMX by avasout04, which should have identified itself to them as avasout04.plus.net with the IP 212.159.14.19. If we look that up using its URL and in reverse via its IP we get
C:\>nslookup avasout04.plus.net Server: dsldevice.lan Address: fe80::9e97:26ff:fe94:acb8 Non-authoritative answer: Name: avasout04.plus.net Address: 212.159.14.19 C:\>nslookup 212.159.14.19 Server: dsldevice.lan Address: fe80::9e97:26ff:fe94:acb8 Name: avasout04.plus.net Address: 212.159.14.
Both forward and reverse look-ups match so I would expect GMX to accept the message. Not doing so suggests they do not trust avasout04.plus.net (or whichever avasoutnn is used) - have they confirmed that?
Re: Sent emails bounced with 'Nemesis' problem
15-02-2018 8:43 PM
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Hi,
Post 11 was a copy and paste of the complete reply, I've now replied to them asking if they don't trust avasout04.plus.net, I've checked all the bounces I've received and they all refer to avasout04.plus.net.
Steve
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