Moving to Full Fibre, but living in a listed building has thrown a spanner into the works

[#1]

Morning all

I have been informed by the people that manage our conservation area that I will not be able to have the external Openreach connection box visible on the front of my house as it is a  "Listed Building of Historical Interest".

As a solution the engineer will be allowed to bring the fibre cable up from the underground ducting and route it in a suitably coloured (stone) trunking to a more appropriate non-visible location. To be honest that makes life easier for me and probably a darn site easier for the Openreach engineer as there is already a suitably sized drill hole in the 2ft thick stone wall where it has been suggested the external box goes.

Now the question....what is the external diameter of the fibre cable to the external Openreach box?

Many thanks

[#2]

@THETESTER 

Do you know if OpenReach are in agreement with what has been proposed?

If you look at the following does it say KCI2 to the right of WBC FTTP in the results window and what does the narrative say about the FTTP install.

https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL

Can't tell you the thickness but it's not particularily wide - maybe twice the diamater of a satallite cable.

Brian

[#3]

An Openreach guy showed me the fibre cable used and its at most 5mm diameter

[#4]

@bmc 

If you look at the following does it say KCI2 to the right of WBC FTTP in the results window - NO

Our records show the following FTTP network service information for these premises:-Single Dwelling Unit Residential UG premises served by 2.5 Inch plastic duct 56.

FTTP is available and a new ONT may be ordered.

As a fibre priority exchange, FTTP has priority over other products if available at the address

As a WLR withdrawal exchange, product restrictions apply

SOADSL is not restricted at the exchange

If the End User wishes to migrate from their current Broadband supplier they will need to contact the Broadband supplier they want to take service from to arrange for the service to be migrated

For all ADSL and WBC Fibre to the Cabinet (VDSL or G.fast) services, the stable line rate will be determined during the first 10 days of service usage.

For all SOADSL services,the stable line rate will be determined during the first 10 days of service usage.

This site is in an FTTP priority area where FTTP is available but exceptionally SOGEA will also show as available to order but only at Non-Standard Premises (NSP) such as Hot site, Uninhabitable and Temporary locations. Migrations of WLR Solus (voice-only lines) is also allowed but only for SOGEA 0.5Mbps bandwidths. SOGEA 40/10 bandwidths order is also allowed.

Actual speeds experienced by end users and quoted by CPs will be lower due to a number of factors within and external to BT's network, Communication Providers' networks and within customer premises.

Although VDSL FTTC and SOGEA is showing as currently not available on this cabinet, it may still be possible to place an order for VDSL (FTTC/SOGEA) speed profile of 40/10. Orders will be validated on an individual basis.

 If you decide to place an order for a WBC fibre product, an appointment may be required for an engineer to visit the end user's premises to supply the service

In order to be eligible for handback, downstream speed should be less than Downstream Handback Threshold values.

ADSL, ADSL2+ and SOADSL availability: If shown at FTTP or SOGEA premises,ADSL, ADSL2+ and SOADSL are not available to order due to WLR Withdrawal stop sell rules. CPs should order FTTP or SOGEA. Copper products are only available by exception.

[#5]

@THETESTER 

Thanks for the info. This shows OR are not expecting any problems with the install. KCI2 indicates a survey is required first.

The next question is is the proposed entry point at ground level and is this a suitable location for the internat ONT box? Power is required for the latter.

Brian

[#6]

Moderators Note

This topic has been moved from Full Fibre to Everything Else

[#7]

@bmc 

The entry point will be 2ft above ground level in our patio behind a stone wall, hence not visible from the front of the property. This route will use an existing hole drilled many years ago that was never used.  

Immediately next to that existing hole is a double power socket.

The trunking is required to hide any part of the expected route that could be visible to nosey people taking photographs of the property.

Mark

[#8]

@THETESTER 

From what you say I don't see any problems. I wouldn't install any trunking until the day. Agree with the engineer the exact route and then you could get the trunking done while they do the other stuff like fixing the boxes on the walls.

At the end of the day however, you never know for sure until the actual day of install.

If you're happy with the ONT location then the router connects via ethernet cable so can go anywhere you're happy to run said cable.

Always interested to hear how an install goes - do let us know.

Brian

[#9]

Will the 'thin' black wire need trunking, or could it be hidden in the fabric of the building. They may put the CSP (grey outside box) on the inside as well if you explain about the protected status

[#10]

@mystreet1  @bmc 

MY initial thought is/was:-

Run the main cable via a length of stone coloured trunking to the outside box location at the existing pre drilled hole. (hole is hidden from sight by a wall and a water butt).

Fix the inside box adjacent the pre drilled hole and the two power points.

Run the internal wire 6 inches or so to the pre drilled hole and connect up outside as normal.

[#11]

@THETESTER OR will more that likely not have stone coloured conduit. Also, probably not grey either. You will need to provide the conduit yourself.
But, the CSP will be hidden by the water butt, and as you say out of slight.
Good luck with the install and let us know how it goes.

[#12]

@THETESTER 

I stand by by comment of not doing any work until the route has been agreed by the engineer of the day. You just never know what they might say about your plans.

By all means have what you need prepped and ready to instal if they're happy with your ideas.

Brian

[#13]

Run the internal wire 6 inches or so to the pre drilled hole and connect up outside as normal.

The internal fibre is supplied in pre-cut lengths, already terminated with a plug at the ONT end. The installer normally inserts a plastic tube with an internal cover plate, through the hole as protection for the fibre passing through the wall. The fibre is inserted from the inside , any excess colied up in the external CSP and then spliced to the external fibre.

[#14]

@mystreet1 

Agreed, B&Q do have stone coloured conduit. Hence wanting to know the cable diameter.

[#15]

@THETESTER 

Does the conduit not have an "up to x diameter" so basically one size fits all notmal cabling.

Brian