Wayleave permission

[#1]

@bmc 

as far as i can tell, each unit gets its own cable from the telegraph pole across the road (at my half two cables come across, one disappears into the loft and the other drops down the side of the building before going through a window frame. looks to be a similar situation at the other end)

[#2]

@MisterW 

Ah grand thanks. The joys of living under someone elses roof (sort of).

I hadnt realised about not needing to wait until the end of the contract. The speed wasn't an issue, so hadnt looked into it before, but looking at the renewal deals there were options that were cheaper and faster than what i was currently paying, so seemed like a no brainer but now more of a headache

[#3]

as far as i can tell, each unit gets its own cable from the telegraph pole across the road (at my half two cables come across, one disappears into the loft and the other drops down the side of the building before going through a window frame. looks to be a similar situation at the other end)

@Benjack in practice , I would have thought that any fibre install would follow the same routing. In your case the loft may be a problem, I'm not sure OR are allowed to work in lofts , certainly not unless they are fully boarded. In the past there would have been a problem with installing the CSP (Customer splice point) (Grey box) since it had to be outside at ground level, but now can be inside provided it is not more than 4 ft above a floor.

There was supposedly a new law back in 2021 (I think?) that was meant to solve these issues of leasehold and FTTP install but it doesn't seem to have achieved much!

[#4]

@Benjack 

You never know exactly what OR are going to do until they turn up for the install - unless they do a survey first when you might have a chance to speak to them. An install is often a trade off between the desirable and the possible if you want to change the incoming location.

While OR might follow the extisting cable route into the loft (if access is available and it is floored) another possibility (potentially easier) way might be to bring the fibre down to ground level to the CSP and then back up to install on the inside of an external wall at a location you're happy with (ie drill new entry hole).

It is highly unlikely that OR will produce a plan given that they will probably use the existing O/H feeds. They either use the existing entry method via the loft as described above or cable down a wall, CSP at ground level and then back up with new extry hole drilled. You could suggest this to your leaseholder to see what they say.

Brian

[#5]

@Benjack I've just noticed this

This site is in an FTTP priority area where FTTP is available

In the narrative from the BTw checker.

This means that Openreach will not accept an order for new supply UNLESS its FTTP. Effectively it means you can't change suppliers or your current product with Plusnet unless your freeholder agrees to FTTP being installed. They need to urgently liase with Openreach to sort it out...

[#6]

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@bmc wrote:

@Benjack 

If it's an overhead feed then potentially OR could use the existing copper entry point (replacing the copper cable) so no drilling required.

However, the problem could be that an external box is required at  ground level (a CSP - Customer Splice Point I believe). So the cable would need to come down to ground level and then back up to to you.

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Not necessarily ...

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@MisterW wrote:

@Benjack in practice , I would have thought that any fibre install would follow the same routing. In your case the loft may be a problem, I'm not sure OR are allowed to work in lofts , certainly not unless they are fully boarded. In the past there would have been a problem with installing the CSP (Customer splice point) (Grey box) since it had to be outside at ground level, but now can be inside provided it is not more than 4 ft above a floor.

There was supposedly a new law back in 2021 (I think?) that was meant to solve these issues of leasehold and FTTP install but it doesn't seem to have achieved much!

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No wayleave permission required here, but my CSP (installed 2015) is on an inside wall, 1.35m measured from the floor to its lower side, cable routed via self-installed conduit.

If @Benjack is able to access the loft and install some flexible conduit from the entry point to, say, a hole in the ceiling in a built in cupboard or wardrobe the fibre cable could be routed that way, failing which perhaps a convenient suitable hole could magically drill itself through a wall or window frame close to where the existing OH cable attachment point is to facilitate an internally mounted CSP.

[#7]

ergh, what a mess this is turning into, i just wanted to find a form to fill out or something.

well ive renewed my current contract now. if some agreement between OR and the freehold can be reached, then great.

in terms of the loft, i have access to it from my part of the property, and am currently in the process of boarding it, but most isn't at the moment, particular the low ceilinged 1/4 that faces the road

[#8]

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@MisterW wrote:

as far as i can tell, each unit gets its own cable from the telegraph pole across the road (at my half two cables come across, one disappears into the loft and the other drops down the side of the building before going through a window frame. looks to be a similar situation at the other end)

@Benjack in practice , I would have thought that any fibre install would follow the same routing. In your case the loft may be a problem, I'm not sure OR are allowed to work in lofts , certainly not unless they are fully boarded.

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Just over two years ago in at my previous address a second line was installed and OR had no issue with the loft having established that it is fully boarded.

[#9]

@Benjack 

If or when you order FTTP you won't know how the intsall will be done. You need to consider the possibilities.

First the loft. I assume flooring the loft can be done quickly if required. You need to consider how the cable can be brought down from there. How does the current copper cable come down. Can you put a duct in to bring the cable down to a desired location.? Is there power available (ie putting the ONT in the loft)?

Second - an external wall (o/h cable down to CSP and back up to enter your property). The ONT needs a power source.

Also what is your WIFi like? I'm thinking of an ethernet switch in the loft with ethernet brought down to each room.

Brian