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Re: Good RJ11 telephone cable?
24-07-2015 1:31 PM
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Quote from: artfulbodger I was just thinking how bad DECT phones can be near a mastersocket/FTTC setup?
I use EcoDECT phones, when a call is not in use the radiation output is zero.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkXWLdBlo5o
The EcoDECT base station is close to my modem (Vigor 2860n) If there was an issue with interference from the from the phones, then the modem would drop out when a call was made. However I've never noticed any issues with modem connection when a call is made.
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Re: Good RJ11 telephone cable?
24-07-2015 2:34 PM
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Quote from: artfulbodger Before everyone jumps on the bandwagon and says "if it ain't broken, don't fix ... etc etc", but I was just thinking how bad DECT phones can be near a mastersocket/FTTC setup?
Quite understand where you are coming from and wanting to optimise your setup and minimise risk of any interference issues.
You can usually leave the modem side of things alone, but a short twisted pair screened RJ11 cable for the modem can sometimes help if you do have real problems, but without any definite issue I would leave that side alone., except you mention a Mk3 plate, it has an improved Common-Mode filter - not a bad idea.
Some DECT setups do cause issues with Broadband and double filtering them has often cured those issues. Whether you want to try double filtering is upto you, but if you have Caller Display, check it works after you add a 2nd filter. On some rare occasions some filters have been known to mess it up.
There's a couple arrangements you could try here, it depends a bit on where you want to put your base station.
As you already have a filtered faceplate (part of the standard FTTC install) plug a second filter into the socket and then use a single twisted pair BT plug to BT socket extension lead and plug your existing phone lead into that. The disadvantage is that anything undesirable coming from the base station could still "leak" along that length of twisted pair (nothing is perfect). Also your base station has to be one that doesn't need the bell-wire (existing lead a single pair only). Also if it's not a single pair, you have a bell wire involved, which although filtered at the socket, only has a certain level of attenuation of the unwanted signals, but could also be a further radiating source if the bell wire from the DECT is actually used (some do, some don't).
Getting hold of a single twisted pair BT plug to BT socket could be tricky in any event.
A better arrangement would be to plug such a single twisted pair cable into the socket and have the filter at the far end and plug the DECT into that. But the potential benefits (if any) will depend on where you are locating the base station, how long and where it's own lead may be.
As far as the twisted pair cables go, you can get twisted pair BT plug to BT in-line socket but they aren't that common, but they will be 2-pair usually. You could then cut off the BT plug and crimp on another using the blue pair on pins 2 & 5 only.
You can get single twisted pair RJ11 plug to RJ11 plug, but you need to ensure the one you get has the correct 2 pins in use at the base station end and assuming it doesn't need the bell-wire. You can then cut off the plug at the other end and crimp on a BT plug again using only pins 2 & 5.
The other option you could consider is an extension phone socket wired to the faceplate with CW1308 twisted pair cable (blue pair only) and a filter plugged into the extension socket to give the double filtering and local bell wire in case the DECT needs it.
Hope that's of some help.
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24-07-2015 7:30 PM
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Excellent advice from Anotherone, but you mentioned a REIN issue but you see zero FEC errors. Would you not expect to see some FEC errors if there was a REIN issue?
You could look at the tone graphs to see what frequencies are being used. If you are getting close to the 78 Mbps (if you are on that product), then all the VDSL2 frequencies are being used. In that case, you might expect to see FEC errors caused by REIN.
Equally, I suppose if REIN were to wipe out a part of the band, that then just isn't used (VDSL2 being highly adaptive), you wouldn't necessarily see any FEC errors because that part of the band is no longer being used to carry any data? However you would see that as a gap in the tone graphs. For example, I am far enough from the exchange that some of the higher frequencies just aren't used at all, and so I see that in the tone graphs.
Not sure of the answer myself, but just thought that you might be able to see the effects of REIN by looking at the error rates.
You could look at the tone graphs to see what frequencies are being used. If you are getting close to the 78 Mbps (if you are on that product), then all the VDSL2 frequencies are being used. In that case, you might expect to see FEC errors caused by REIN.
Equally, I suppose if REIN were to wipe out a part of the band, that then just isn't used (VDSL2 being highly adaptive), you wouldn't necessarily see any FEC errors because that part of the band is no longer being used to carry any data? However you would see that as a gap in the tone graphs. For example, I am far enough from the exchange that some of the higher frequencies just aren't used at all, and so I see that in the tone graphs.
Not sure of the answer myself, but just thought that you might be able to see the effects of REIN by looking at the error rates.
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