Withdrawl of IPv6 Technical Trial

[#1]

I have a similar tool installed on Chrome.  The only concern is that it wants 'access' to whatever web page you are viewing but I'm sure China/NSA already knows my bank details so theres no real problem 

[#2]

you can rest assured that Google already sold all your information, browsing habits, items shopped for, number of friends and so on to everyone but the security services (them they made get a warrant for it)
sometimes it does rather beggar belief that people get upset over what the NSA/GCHQ monitor when there freely agreeing to give away information on every aspect of there digital life simply by using various software....
I expect that if the Mozilla tool doesn't ask for every website change its because its Eula was an append to the main FF one that installing it meant you agreed to the terms  (yes every browser has had the same clause since Netscape was bought by Microsoft then rebranded and farmed out to aol users/ messed with and became MSN premium internet software ....)
but really the danger is in the ADMT etc tracking cookies because you don't give them permission to track your every move, if your keen you might disable there ability to be installed but chances are there tracking everything you do to be utilised for in-depth metrics analysis, not to mention co-opted by some criminal elements to steal all your password....

[#3]

Quote from: nanotm

you can rest assured that Google already sold all your information, browsing habits, items shopped for, number of friends and so on to everyone but the security services (them they made get a warrant for it).........

I think a proportion of that is opinion and not really relevant to this thread/forum (IPv6).  My comments were intended in a jovial capacity and not an opening for conspiracy theories (or similar).

[#4]

Apart from incompatibility of some equipment, does IPv6 actually have any significant disadvantages?
I know of one which is that Open DNS filtering doesn't work with IPv6 but that's only because Open DNS haven't set it up yet.

[#5]

There are no disadvantages inherent with the protocol that I am aware of. As you might expect, it was intended to provide benefits in a number of areas without compromising those in others.
There are arguably some drawbacks with, for example, the increase in address size and the impact this has on human use and interaction. I have found in practice however that such concerns end up being overblown as you soon get used to handling the longer addresses with either greater use of copy-and-paste, the use of 'shortenable' address formats or just getting more comfortable with hex.
A lot, if not all, the perceived drawbacks are related to incompatibility with/of legacy capabilities, whether that be hardware, software or a byzantine mixture of the two. These though are not 'disadvantages of IPv6' per se as they will eventually disappear without any changes being made to the protocol.

[#6]

Quote from: MJN

There are no disadvantages inherent with the protocol...

As I thought - so why the reluctance / resistance to get it adopted.
IIRC the IPv6 trial was pretty much a total success so why, after a successful trial, are we still here after so long having failed to act on the trial outcome?
Does any UK ISP other than AAISP currently run native IPv6?  Is that the problem (pure inertia because 'everyone else' also isn't doing anything)?

[#7]

Quote from: w23

I know of one which is that Open DNS filtering doesn't work with IPv6 but that's only because Open DNS haven't set it up yet.

While that is true, you can use OpenDNS for filtering by changing to their "FamilyShield" which IS IPv6 enabled.
[quote=OpenDNS Community]You cannot register an IPv6 address with your OpenDNS network yet, therefore content filtering won't work. You can however use the OpenDNS FamilyShield addresses which provide at least some basic filtering of "adult" sites, proxy servers, basic malware botnets and phishing.
::ffff:d043:de7b
::ffff:d043:dc7b

[#8]

Thanks purleigh, that's a step in the right direction - I might be able to re-enable my IPv6 tunnel without too much risk to "junior's" moral well-being (Open DNS being one of several 'protection measures' necessary for some teenage boys).  I'd prefer to have it working with my full custom blacklist though.

[#9]

Quote from: w23

[...] pure inertia because 'everyone else' also isn't doing anything)?

I believe that is indeed part of the problem and can be split into two parts (forgive me for copying an earlier response):
i. There is something of a chicken-and-egg situation in that content providers don't see a need to provide content over IPv6 because there are so few IPv6-ready consumers, and contect consumers don't see a need to ask for IPv6 connectivity because there's so little IPv6 (only) content.
ii. With an imminent depletion of IPv4 address space there could easily be ISP's, whose sole existence is of course to provide Internet connectivty (which requires address space to do so), who end up being unable to grow due to lack of address space. A company that doesn't grow dies. If an ISP is 'IPv6 ready' and can do so at the proverbial flick of a switch then it may see competitive advantage by waiting until the last minute to do so in the hope that others who are not ready get caught by the lion.

[#10]

Or the smart ISP could prominently advertise IPv6 as a selling feature that many other lesser ISPs don't have, and capture additional new customers who are looking to migrate from elsewhere, on the basis of specmanship and for those discerning customers who are looking to sign up to an ISP who is forward thinking and future proofing.

[#11]

Most consumers have never heard of IP, nevermind the different versions of it.

[#12]

not to mention the consumer apathy in those that have heard of it, a large majority feel that the "new address system is too complicated"
what the industry needs is to promote itself and produce standard (www.name ofyourwebsite .co.uk/.com) translations and debunk the myth that only hex addresses will be accepted, which is a huge part of the problem with adoption, its not simple right now so a lot of people just aren't interested.

[#13]

Quote from: nanotm

what the industry needs is to promote itself and produce standard (www.name ofyourwebsite .co.uk/.com) translations and debunk the myth that only hex addresses will be accepted, which is a huge part of the problem with adoption

Run that by me again...? 

[#14]

Quote from: nanotm

a large majority feel that the "new address system is too complicated" ...  ...  ... its not simple right now so a lot of people just aren't interested.

If you had asked me a week ago, I was apprehensive of enabling IPv6, mainly because I have a considerable amount of mix and match legacy network kit with the potential for much of it not working.  It seemed that the only way to be prepared for IPv6 was to enable it and see what breaks, and then start replacing any IPv4 only kit with something newer.
The reality was not complicated AT ALL.  
I enabled IPv6 on my ADSL gateway and EVERYTHING worked perfectly without further setup.  
Including -
   ADSL gateway
   SamKnows whitebox
   12 Devolo powerline adaptors (various models)
   DNSmasq local caching DNS server
   3 different wireless access points
   3 different wireless to ethernet bridges
   2 Wireless routers
   Various network switches
   All my Ubuntu PCs and laptops
and for everything else on the network, nothing broke.
So the reality of migrating to dual-stacked IPv6 capability for the average user, is that it is very simple and it just works, as IPv6 devices mostly auto-configure.

[#15]

Did you have to replace the routers?