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Can't cancel account due to moron in support!!!!

billnotben
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Re: Can't cancel account due to moron in support!!!!

I had a very similar sort of problem involving premium bonds (not in my name) and my dear old (sadly not capable) Mum.
An email explaining the situation to my MP got things sorted out surprisingly fast with no further input from me. Even a letter of apology from NSI.
It's funny how things "not possible" suddenly become possible when you get the right person to ask on your behalf.
itsme
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Re: Can't cancel account due to moron in support!!!!

What signation does PN hold on their customers? I know that they have not got mine on record.
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Re: Can't cancel account due to moron in support!!!!

@itsme -reading this I was just thinking the same thing - the OP just needs to write the letter and sign as his brother -job done!!
petecov44
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Re: Can't cancel account due to moron in support!!!!

Quote from: vulpine
I also suffer from something called Fibromyalgia

Hi Mark,
I have just been diagnosed with it after going to the docs to find out why my knees hurt until the point of collapse every time I tried to cross my legs.
I think I would just be in a state of anger all the time so yes I agree you conducted yourself very well.
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Re: Can't cancel account due to moron in support!!!!

Quote from: Linn
Hi vulpine,
I'm very sorry to hear of the personal circumstances your brother is going through.
Jim and Matt are right - we'd need a letter sending in explaining the situation regarding the account. I can appreciate that in this situation you are dealing with your brother's affairs, however, only the account holder can cancel the account.
I understand if you feel that the advisor you spoke to was being difficult, however, they were following protocol and they are not in a position to break this. The protocol is in place to protect the account holder's services.
Apologies for any inconvenience caused by this.

What IF the account holder is dying and died? How will the account be closed? I agree with others, it's pretty stupid!
jelv
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Re: Can't cancel account due to moron in support!!!!

In those cases the bank will immediately freeze the account when it is notified of the death and the DD  or card payment will be refused. PN will have different procedures to then follow that through.
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Anotherone
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Re: Can't cancel account due to moron in support!!!!

Ah, so PN do have different procedures then Wink
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Re: Can't cancel account due to moron in support!!!!

Obviously, and there is a simple way that documentary proof of the situation can be given to Plusnet - a copy of the death certificate.
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Re: Can't cancel account due to moron in support!!!!

Quote from: jelv
In those cases the bank will immediately freeze the account when it is notified of the death and the DD  or card payment will be refused. PN will have different procedures to then follow that through.

No Bank will accept a death by Joe Bloggs making a phone call. A Bank will require a death certificate and proof the person is an Executor
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Re: Can't cancel account due to moron in support!!!!

I think you missed the subtly of my comment.
vulpine
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Re: Can't cancel account due to moron in support!!!!

I have been asked by a forum member to add the Ticket numbers I've placed with regards to this problem so Plusnet can cross reference this thread and the Tickets. The first, is a complaint  and the second is a request to add me to the account as an authorised user as advised by one of the forum members -
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http://community.plus.net/forum/index.php/topic,133865.msg1170463.html#msg1170463

The Ticket Number is  #94409158 and was entered as a complaint (as below) on Monday 10 Nov and has not been replied to.
Please note I was fuming when I sent this and should have waited before I sent it, so it's not a very well put together complaint.

Dear Sirs
I am the person that set this account up for my brother and I am responsible for the payment of the account. Due to my brother having a complete mental breakdown, he is now having to move out of he flat in Brighton and will be moving to France, to our parents house.
The account needs to be closed by the 24 November or as soon after that date, depending on the amount of notice required. I would like to say that the notice point needs to run from todays date 10/11/2014.
I explained all this to one of your team (approx 14:50 - 10/11/2014) Even though I explained that my brother can not speak to anyone to cancel this account, he insisted that he could do nothing and would not hand me over to someone more senior, that could have made a more sensible decision.

I myself have been a plusnet freeonlline customer since the company started and the way I was treated was ridiculous. Because of this attitude to someone suffering with a mental disorder and that it was clear I was the person responsible for the account, I will be taking this further. I myself suffer from a long term disability and all the stress caused by my brothers situation has caused me a lot of extra stress, which exacerbates my problem, so the last this i needed was more problems by one of your staff. He was extremely unhelpful.
I can now say that I will never again use Plusnet, I will cancel a couple of other accounts I have setup for mine and my partners fathers and I will NEVER advise people that Plusnet is the provider to go with.
I look forward to this being resolved
Regards
Mark Wallis



I have also opened a Ticket to add myself to "my brothers account"  This I have had a response and I will see if I can now close the account using my name.

Your Response
10:27pm, Monday 10 Nov 2014
[Support Wizard Journey]
[Update My Direct Debit Details]
[Customer Services]
[Update your payment details]
[Update My Direct Debit Details]
[Additional Information]
Please add Mark Wallis (My Brother) as a person authorised to deal with this account

<-Snip-> - CSC Analyst
8:11am, Tuesday 11 Nov 2014
Dear Mr Wallis,
Thanks for getting in touch;
As per your request I have added your Brother as an authorised user of this account.
Your complaint is awaiting a response from our customer relations team. They will get back to you within 5 working days.
There is no need to reply to this ticket if the matter is resolved. If you wish to close this ticket you can do so via the following link: Close This Ticket. Alternatively it will automatically close in 14 days.
However, if you feel the matter needs further investigation do not hesitate to get back in touch online at http://portal.plus.net/wizard/ if we can be of any further assistance.

Kind regards,
<-Snip->

Dick:CSA
vulpine
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Re: Can't cancel account due to moron in support!!!!

I have just called plusnet again and spoken to a helpful adviser called Ciaran, regarding closing the account. As I had added myself as an authorised user of the account as advised by another forum user, I thought I might now be able to close the account, but, no, I still can't close the account, I have to be the the account holder and no one else due to UK / European law. I was told that by creating the account under someone elses name I was in fact breaking the law and I should have used my name and address, which as far as I can see, means I would be creating the account for me at my address not my brothers, as the forms you fill out, as far as I can remember don't give you any options for setting up an account in my name at a different address. After I explained this I was told the only way to do this properly was to have a power of attorney and you could hear in the advisers voice he had had enough of explaining to me that I couldn't do anything except getting my brother to call. When I said I'd talk to my MP, he said that my MP would not be able to do anything, as he should know the law.
So I have three options..
1. Cancel my direct debit and leave Plusnet to chase my brother for money owed due to not closing the account. black marking him and possibly ending him up in court and causing him even more problems with his mental health.
2. Phone up and pretend I'm my brother, again breaking the law, as that would be classed as impersonation and misrepresentation.
3. The last option and the one I'm going to have to do, is when my brother is having one of his better moments, get him on Skype, then call the Plusnet help line and with him ready to confirm his name and that he confirms he wants to close the account. When I spoke to Ciaran I did say this is what I was going to do and that I didn't want any other questions being asked as I wouldn't want him upset in any way.
I did ask that the website be changed to alert people in a clear and concise way that creating an account for someone else can only be done with a power of attorney, as this would then allow that person to legally alter and or close the account.
As far as I can see, this is a form of discrimination against people with disabilities or mental problems. Having access to the internet and phone can be a godsend to that person, it can also be part of a care package, as with my father-in-law, where we use the internet for monitoring him via cameras and his emergency panic button.
Something needs to change with the way plusnet handles its online activations. They need to have more information up front that explains this and or have two name and address inputs, one for the account holders name and address etc and one for the account install location.
Hope all this helps others in my situation.

Quote from: vulpine
My name is Mark and I have created a number of accounts for family members, who are not able to do so themselves due to age or disability. A few years ago, I set up an account for my brother, who suffers from severe depression and other problems and at the time wasn't in a fit state to set up the account for himself. I am the one who pays for the account, I have an email redirect to my account for all email that come from Plusnet, so if there is a problem I can sort it out.
Unfortunately, my brother has got worse and due to many issues is now getting evicted and is now having to move back home to our parents in France so someone can look after him. I explained all the to the person in the support department that deals with account closures and all he could say was I cant close the account because I wasn't the account holder and the account holder needs to call in to cancel. So again I explained that he was no in any fit state to do so and was NOT to be contacted. But the moron would not listen and refused to pass me on to someone that could deal with the problem.
I also suffer from something called Fibromyalgia and any extra stress exacerbates the problem further and all the problems I'm having to deal with, my brother being one of them, the last thing I needed was some idiot not to try and help when it was so obvious that I was basically the account creator and holder for my brothers account.
It's things like this that give companies like Plusnet a bad name, with the way they treat people with disabilities and medical problems. If I had known I would have had all these problems, I would not have created the account in the first place.
Because of this, I will not be coming back to Plusnet when I am well and working again and will be canceling two other accounts that my father and my partners fathers have with plusnet and will be going for a company that has some compassion for people with disabilities and or medical problems.
I look forward to hearing what other people think.
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Re: Can't cancel account due to moron in support!!!!

Mark, draft and write/print the letter and when your brother is having on of his better moments, get him to sign it.
If the phone is with a different supplier and that needs to be cancelled by letter, draft/print the letter for that and get him to sign that. If he is only in a better moment able to sign one of them, get him to do the phone. Once the phone is cancelled, that automatically ceases the broadband and then you'd only have to pay any outstanding cease fee and contract cancellation charges if in contract, less of course any pro-rata remaining broadband subscription that was paid in advance.
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I was told that by creating the account under someone elses name I was in fact breaking the law and I should have used my name and address, which as far as I can see, means I would be creating the account for me at my address not my brothers

Exactly, If you have the persons permission to do it on their behalf, then that is obvious garbage. There are plenty of people round here that administer accounts for others - usually family members, but I will say I'm not sure of the correct way that you'd set them up in that situation.
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Re: Can't cancel account due to moron in support!!!!

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Obviously, and there is a simple way that documentary proof of the situation can be given to Plusnet - a copy of the death certificate.

That was the case until about 2009 when it was scrapped. I used to shut accounts on the word of the customer (as told to do so by PN) as people were getting upset by being asked to do that.
These days I don't know but I hope it has not changed back.
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Re: Can't cancel account due to moron in support!!!!

When is the next bill due - before or after the 24th?
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