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Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

ChemicalBrother
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

Hate to bust your bubble, but I think you'll find it doesn't. I've recently done the training course on it and the requirements that need to be met.
EDIT: Here's the link to which authorities are bound by RIPA..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Powers_Act_2000
HPsauce
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

The Act itself makes better reading than Wikipedia.  Wink
You're referring to what it "allows" public bodies to do.
It also prohibits lots of things by everyone. Including the sort of activity you said was allowed by companies.
"(1)It shall be an offence for a person intentionally and without lawful authority to intercept, at any place in the United Kingdom, any communication in the course of its transmission by means of—.
(a)a public postal service; or.
(b)a public telecommunication system."
However, monitoring by companies also falls foul of several other bits of legislation including the DPA and HRA, so is difficult to arrange legitimately. Not to mention the Lawful Busines Practice regulations 2000.
See:
■The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 ('the RIPA') http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/20000023.htm and
■The Telecommunications (Lawful Business Practice) (Interception of Communications) Regulations 2000 ('the Lawful Business Regulations') http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2000/20002699.htm
dazco
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!


So could it been seen that those who are collecting information on users activities online are breaching laws ?
HPsauce
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

Who and what?
It's a minefield, with lots of exceptions and obligations.
VileReynard
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

Obviously BT think they've got an exemption.

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Steve
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

Great use of the word THINK there Jeremy.
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

Having raised a ticket about getting information released by Plusnet I was advised this could be arranged for £10.
My reply was,
Before I make such a request can you confirm it will include any information released or requested by any third party, the actual information released and to whom it was released, including the date(s) of such release.
That this information will be sent to me in a letter via the post.
The reply to that was this will be passed to the relevant department.
So before you part with your £10 make sure it's a written reply and not an e-mail or phone call !
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

Quote from: gleneagles
Having raised a ticket about getting information released by Plusnet I was advised this could be arranged for £10.

That's a full DPA SAR for everything they hold on you (a lot!).
Mand has already said that those "on the list" will get the relevant details at no charge.
speechless
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

Thanks to all and Mand for your earlier feedback.
It may be worth pointing out that I asked PN what information they released about me that could now be in the public domain, which I subsequently compared to the data held on the spreadsheets.
PN allegedly gave them only 1 IP but the spreadsheet listed me under a couple.
I'm awaiting further clarification from PN as this further places the base data from either PN and/or acs:law into question.
Does anyone know what the legalities are in situations like this with the revelation of personal data?
Specifically, do PN & acs have an obligation to tell victims what information was released about them? Preferably without having to pay £10 for all data stored.
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

Quote from: speechless
do PN & acs have an obligation to tell victims what information was released about them?

Probably not, and you're talking about different things anyway:
1. What was "extracted" from ACS when it was exposed, which ACS themselves can't actually know for sure.
2. What PlusNet sent to ACS, which they do know and have agreed to let affected people (who ask) know the relevant subset of, without charge.
anthonywood123
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!


so...
what's the answer then chaps?
which ISP's are the ones that wont sell your details (and send them without encryption) to some dodgy Law firm whose clear aim is bullying and threatening internet users?
PN customers details (names, addresses, etc) are now all over the torrent sites, next to lists of dodgy movies we've apparently downloaded...
it's scary..

so - where we going to?
any decent ISP's out there not in cahoots with the likes of ACS Law?
anthonywood123
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

Quote from: speechless
Thanks to all and Mand for your earlier feedback.
It may be worth pointing out that I asked PN what information they released about me that could now be in the public domain, which I subsequently compared to the data held on the spreadsheets.
PN allegedly gave them only 1 IP but the spreadsheet listed me under a couple.
I'm awaiting further clarification from PN as this further places the base data from either PN and/or acs:law into question.
Does anyone know what the legalities are in situations like this with the revelation of personal data?
Specifically, do PN & acs have an obligation to tell victims what information was released about them? Preferably without having to pay £10 for all data stored.


you could just download the torrent and do the searches yourself?
VileReynard
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

But the stuff from ACS:Law relates to about a year ago.
Do you know what your ip addresses were a year ago?
I log my internet facing ip address every 15 minutes.  Grin

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Mand
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

@speechless, if its the same file allegedly shared multiple times we'd just list the first one. We can update the ticket with all entries if you wish.
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

Quote from: anthonywood123
which ISP's are the ones that wont sell your details (and send them without encryption) to some dodgy Law firm whose clear aim is bullying and threatening internet users?
PN customers details (names, addresses, etc) are now all over the torrent sites, next to lists of dodgy movies we've apparently downloaded...
it's scary..

so - where we going to?
any decent ISP's out there not in cahoots with the likes of ACS Law?

I know this is an emotive subject, but want to clarify that at no point have we sold anyone's data.
We complied with a court order (yes, we could have contested that court order being applied initially but that's a different story).
No ISP will refuse to comply with a court order. There are 2 that have specifically said that they will contest these but that's yet to be tested.
We will in future be resisting these requests until we are sure the process is robust.