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Was it a mistake to join Plusnet?

Anotherone
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Re: Was it a mistake to join Plusnet?

Whilst it is annoying, and unfortunately although some responses come over as a bit of a platitude, it is true. Look around the Internet, all ISPs are suffering similar issues. What is of concern, is a couple of instances I thought I'd seen reported on here, where a nearby BT Retail customer has got an install date ahead of a Plusnet Customer. Now is this just because there happened to be earlier available dates which did suit the BTR customer  but not the Plusnet customer, or are Provisioning making errors?
chrispurvey
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Re: Was it a mistake to join Plusnet?

Hi,
Thanks for taking your time to post again, I agree with what you've said and it's our problem between us and our suppliers to get this resolved as quickly as we can and not yours.
As I discussed yesterday with you we may need to place a new order, I would like to do this as we're still waiting on the fault that is open to be resolved. I'd rather have both options open to get this resolved ASAP.  If you can message me the MAC key when you receive it I'll get that placed for you and if anything happens in the meantime I'll update you straight away.
@pod000
Sorry for the wait, I can see that we're expecting an update on Thursday where we can hopefully then progress.

Chris
tigertim
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Re: Was it a mistake to join Plusnet?

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If you can message me the MAC key when you receive it I'll get that placed for you and if anything happens in the meantime I'll update you straight away.
Chris

Chris,
Have just sent you the new MAC code I got from Orange.
JamesT1987
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Re: Was it a mistake to join Plusnet?

Tigertim... I like your point about you having no sympathy for Plusnet over their quite profound issues with their supplier... It really REALLY gets my back up when the people on the phone blame Openreach!
Whether they are to blame are not is completely Irrelevant...
PLUSNET... WE CHOSE YOU TO SUPPLY BROADBAND... WE PAY YOU FOR OUR BROADBAND... IM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR BLOODY SUPPLIERS!!!
Tigertim, I also like your point about you being happy to receive a rude phonecall if you were to get your Broadband back.... YES!!!
I'm tired of hearing the same hot air from customer service... just FIX IT!!!!! Don't call me back until you have a solution that SUITS ME! More specifically to tell me that you have arranged for an engineer (I don't care whether they are from bloody Virgin) to come round to my property when I AM THERE, NOT WHEN I SHOULD BE AT WORK!!!!!!!
chrispurvey
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Hi tigertim,
I've updated your ticket, I've had to place a new order and I'll be looking to get this expedited hopefully later today, I'll keep checking on the progress so we can get your services activated, I'm looking for this to all happen this week.
@JamesT1987
I appreciate your frustration and any issues that our suppliers have is our problem, I can see that Adam has picked your account up and is monitoring it for you.
Chris
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Re: Was it a mistake to join Plusnet?

That is correct Chris...
That said, I have no knowledge of an engineer being at our property as of yet... and if one does turn up at 12.55 he might well be told where to go... we all have jobs to go to and waiting around until God knows what time is just not an option for us.
Would your manager be happy if you couldn't come into the office today because you were waiting for a service call? Then it happens FOUR TIMES?
It doesn't stack up... It wouldn't be good enough in your company (or at least it shouldn't be) - It certainly isn't good enough in mine!
Townman
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Re: Was it a mistake to join Plusnet?

In answer to the original question "Was it a mistake to join PlusNet" I suggest that the mistake was made years ago by Ofcom when they allowed a single corporate organisation to have all of Retail sales (BT Retail selling to their own customers), Wholesale (BTW selling capacity to their competitors) and Infrastruture provison from BTOR.  No matter what the rules, I do not believe that BTOR and BTw are playing a 'level playing field' game with their wholesale customers (ISPs and resellers).  As noted by Anotherone, there are numerous reports herein of BT retail customers getting service provision ahead of PN customers who placed their orders first, yet get their sevice last.
As for PN's "blame" for BTw/BTOR, no matter how distatseful that might seem, without shrinking from the fact that it is PN's responsibility to manage, it is I suggest still the truth that BTOR / BTw are not delivering to PN and PN's hands are tied.  I have a now long on-going issue for which BTOR have been on site at least 8 times... PN have been great in trying to manage the problem, but are not getting the information they need from BTw.  The experience 'at the other end of my problem' is that BTw do not return phone calls, do not reply to emails or for that matter know what they are going to do next or when.  If you think PN's customer service is poor, just be grateful that you do not need to deal directly with BTw... or for that matter BT Retail whose customer service is in India.  At least PN's staff all have English as their first language.
The bottom line here which is wrong is BTOR are not compeletely independent of the BT group.  There is no independence, objectivity or non-bias in respect of BT Retail.  Whilst they remain under a unified company, there will be bias towards the BT brands / delivery channels - it is inevitable, it would not be human nature to do otherwise - if it were our own company, we'd all make sure that our direct customers got the best slices of the cake before those of our thrid party resellers.  Though PN are within the BT family, one does not discern any preference being given to PN above other ISPs.  Indeed it is even possible that the reverse is true; in an attempt to avoid any suggestion that that PN are being dis-favoured.
One point to consider here - if a given sub-contractor (where you have no alternative choice) is letting you down, whilst at the same time your market share is increasing, it is going to be apparent that you have more delivery issues than your competitors.  That (of its self) does not make you worse than the others... it just means that you are more exposed to the failings of the monopoly supplier.
If you do not like this and really want to make a difference, then lobby Ofcom for the splitting up of the BT group.  Write to your MP - remember Government has spent vast sums of your tax money on BTOR infrastructure... which THEY are not managing effectively!.  BTw/BTOR need a rocket up their trunk cables!

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tigertim
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Re: Was it a mistake to join Plusnet?

@townman, thanks for the detailed treatise on the current ills of the telecoms market in this country. Much as I appreciate you taking the time, this completely misses the point that I was trying to make.  We all have issues with suppliers in whichever form of business we are in and I myself work in a business where our supplier has a monopoly. What I want is confidence that when things go wrong the company that is taking my hard earned cash is capable of putting things right in an efficient and timely manner.
My main bone of contention with the current situation is that my broadband has not been physically disconnected but has been switched off in error. As somebody switched it off overnight, I struggle to understand why it takes a week and a half (and counting) to switch it back on again. I understand that procedures and processes are in place but this very much smacks of a slightly more advanced version of "computer says no".
Now a second order has been placed, I await developments with interest. If the procedure and process is now sorted, I don't see why this can't be rectified overnight the same way it was broken overnight.
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Re: Was it a mistake to join Plusnet?

Quote from: tigertim
What I want is confidence that when things go wrong the company that is taking my hard earned cash is capable of putting things right in an efficient and timely manner.

surely that is "... is capable of getting things put right" in this context
Quote from: tigertim
I joined Plusnet in early January after having a horrendous experience with Orange/EE who have been my ISP since dial up days.
First couple of weeks {with Plusnet*}, great. ...

Quote from: tigertim
As somebody switched it off overnight, I struggle to understand why it takes a week and a half (and counting) to switch it back on again.

That could be construed as it took two weeks to switch it off?
Note: I am not condoning any actions described in this thread.
* my addition
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Using a TP-Link Archer VR600 modem-router.
tigertim
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Re: Was it a mistake to join Plusnet?

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surely that is "... is capable of getting things put right" in this context

No, putting things right. Once again the point is that my contract is with Plusnet. Plusnet's job, in return for my money, is to supply me with fibre broadband. I don't  care who supplies them, whether it is BT or alien technology, that is not my concern I just want what I am paying for and I am paying that money to Plusnet.
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That could be construed as it took two weeks to switch it off?

No, from what I can make out the order was cancelled at midnight due to it not being completed. When I got up the following morning, no broadband. That's about five and a half hours, I was being generous with overnight..
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Note: I am not condoning any actions described in this thread.

Not sure what that means.
PeeGee
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Re: Was it a mistake to join Plusnet?

Ahh, modern English usage - I keep forgetting about this in my ageing years.
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chrispurvey
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Thanks again for your time on the phone, as discussed that's booked in on Friday morning for you, if there's anything in the meantime please let me know, if not I'll wait to hear from you on Friday.
Chris
tigertim
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Ahh, modern English usage.

Now I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, I am hardly modern myself. Thanks for posting anyway.
tigertim
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If not I'll wait to hear from you on Friday.
Chris

Thanks for your help Chris, I will let you know how we get on Friday.
tigertim
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I'll wait to hear from you on Friday.
Chris

Hi Chris,
BT man just been, switched back on and all working fine. The repair that was done to the phone line at the weekend has also had an effect as I am now getting 80/20 speeds.
Thanks for your help with this, only thing left to do now is sort out the start dates for my contract with PN as at the moment I am being billed by Orange and PN for the same phone calls!!
If you keep this up I may have to move from slightly disgruntled to slightly gruntled.