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orbrey
Plusnet Alumni (retired)
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Registered: ‎18-07-2007

Re: bye bye plus.net

Fair enough - I'm sorry about that, and I can appreciate the frustration. However please also realise that we are doing everything we can to get this fixed for you and you must surely appreciate how much harder that gets when you don't get a break.
How things are with the fault: basically as I said, we need to get your fault escalated to the complex faults team at BT Wholesale in order that they can look at the cost of replacing the copper line itself (assuming they can't switch your connection to a different set of jumpers and use a different set of wires between the green box and the exchange, which also depends on where the fault lies).
The trouble with doing this is that the HLC team won't accept a fault until it is the absolute last resort. This means before we can escalate it we need to have, among other things:
Changed the E and D side jumpers (exchange side and distribution side - i.e. from green box to exchange and from green box to your premises)
Fitted an NTE faceplate
Completed a tie pair modify
Escalated the fault to Team Leader level
Now, everything except the tie pair modify has been completed and that's in process of being done at the moment. It should complete tomorrow, which means that then we'll be able to refer the fault up to the complex faults team - and I'll be onto that as soon as I get into the office for you. I'm sorry this has been going on for so long.
W1ngD1ngs
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Registered: ‎17-09-2009

Re: bye bye plus.net

@Matt, any update the referral to the "complex faults team"?
W1ngD1ngs
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Re: bye bye plus.net

Matt, still had no update on this matter so I have complained direct to CEO BT and Openreach.  Also please see below:
Ofcom's advice on your next step
All companies must belong to an Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR) scheme. The ADR scheme acts as an independent middleman between the company and the customer. If the company’s in the wrong, the ADR scheme can order the company to fix the problem and, if needed, pay compensation.
You should find details of the company’s ADR scheme either on the back of your phone bill, or available from the company’s customer services staff.
Reference the above could you please supply details of PN's ADR scheme?
orbrey
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Re: bye bye plus.net

Hi DawnRider,
We've emailed the complex faults team and are currently waiting on a reply, but as I said we've now completed all the quality gates so there shouldn't be any problem. I'll let you know as soon as we hear back.
You can find details of our complaint resolution scheme at http://www.plus.net/support/customer_service/contact_us/code_of_practice.shtml#12
We've also had the escalation passed down to us from Mr Livingstone so that's in hand as well, we'll take it on from here.
W1ngD1ngs
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Registered: ‎17-09-2009

Re: bye bye plus.net

Matt, FYI it's Ian Livingston without the e. (Thought you'd have known that  Wink )
mrmarkus1981
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Re: bye bye plus.net

I recommended a friend to Plusnet in October and he has had slow or no internet since day 1, whilst he is going through the faults process at the moment, this thread is not giving me much hope for him, which is a shame as its my fault he took Plusnet broadband!
I cant fault my broadband, but the rants n raves section is fast filling up with the same problems and it seems Plusnet are just not up to the task anymore.
I will be watching this and looking forward to the eventual outcome
Good Luck  Cry
orbrey
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Re: bye bye plus.net

Hi DawnRider,
Right, I can confirm that this is now with the complex faults team who've stated that there will be an update by 5:30pm today, so as soon as we get that through I'll update. I'm sorry it's taken so long to get here.
@mrmarkus1981 Would you be able to PM me his username at all? I'd be happy to take a look and push forwards if you like.
W1ngD1ngs
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Registered: ‎17-09-2009

Re: bye bye plus.net

Well that didn't work either!  Is anyone now going to take seriously the report / notes from the "Engineer" visit on the 7th Jan which stated that there was an insulation issue 600 meters downstream from the cabinet, and send someone other than Dongle man to fix it?
Just a general thought for all the other PN users out there with problems.  Simon Cowell was brought to heel by people power recently, maybe a "Rage against the PN / Openreach / BT machine" is in order!
orbrey
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Re: bye bye plus.net

Hi DawnRider,
The reply has come back from the HLE team, in the first instance stating that we would either have to keep the service as is or cease it. We've rejected this and requested further investigation given the wiring issues advised and the HLE team will liaise with Openreach to get the wiring investigated. I'll update your ticket to reflect this, they've asked for available access times for the engineer to come round and test.
We'll see what happens on this but will push back further based on test results on completion of the tie pair modify and from earlier in the month, however at present the next step is to get the Openreach engineer round to test and with any luck replace the wiring. If you could update the ticket with available times (I'll send this to you now) we'll email them back and get this arranged.
I'll continue to keep you posted.
jelv
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Registered: ‎10-04-2007

Re: bye bye plus.net

Stories like this make me really worried about the SFI2 proposals.
From thinkbroadband:
Quote
New charge may see broadband users charged to even look for a fault
Broadband providers sometimes have something of a battle on their hands figuring out whether when a customer contacts them complaining of an intermittent problem with their ADSL or ADSL2+ service where the fault lies. Very often the voice side of the telephone line will be functioning fine, and traditionally this is when a Special Faults Investigation visit would be booked, which carries the understanding that if the fault is found to be with the customers equipment, e.g. ADSL modem or extension wiring then the visit will be charged. According to a draft Openreach document (PDF), this existing SFI visit looks set to be replaced by a service called SFI2 which will always carry a chargeable call out fee. The actual SFI2 product is expected to appear in February 2010.
In theory this SFI2 type visit should only be needed when the line is working according to the specification (defined in SIN 349 (PDF)) and Openreach's line test system says everything is OK. Alas this does not cover all types of faults, and particularly with intermittent faults which may not show up when Openreach does its testing. This means there is the possibility that a provider and hence the consumer may get charged for multiple visits, and as two types of booking are possible, i.e. one that looks at external network and one including a visit to the consumers home, the scope for people getting a big bill with little understanding of why are very evident.
One of the big problems here is that with the current rules there is no way for providers to verify the results of testing by Openreach engineers, i.e. no independent third party testing system exists, thus we may see local loop faults that Openreach are meant to fix only being fixed after multiple SFI2 visits.
We suspect that the forthcoming Universal Service Commitment is partly behind the reasons for this new SFI2 and the change in charging, as we expect there to be more complaints from consumers as they approach 2012 and their ADSL broadband is not connecting at 2Meg or faster reliably. As more information appears on SFI2 over the next few weeks we will endeavour to update people.
jelv (a.k.a Spoon Whittler)
   Why I have left Plusnet (warning: long post!)   
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W1ngD1ngs
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Re: bye bye plus.net

@Matt
All I will say is:
1. Keep what service as is? There is no service!
2. Cease the service? So now BT / Openreach just give up? I do hope that someone other than BT gets the FTTC / FTTH contract and will be agitating for this! (Thought! Must copy this sorry saga to Richard!)
Have posted availability on Ticket.
@Jelv
Like the bit about  "we expect there to be more complaints from consumers as they approach 2012 and their ADSL broadband is not connecting at 2Meg or faster reliably."
It would be awfully nice ( Following BT "Engineer" visits on 23rd Dec, 7th Jan, 13th Jan, 15th Jan, & 16th Jan so far and now another requested) to actually get my  connection fixed.  Lets not forget that on 4th Dec 09 I had a download speed of 900Kbps. 
Now they are saying accept the service as is (with no sync and BB) or cease the service!
orbrey
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Re: bye bye plus.net

This is why we're pushing back, as we don't believe it's reasonable either.
I've advised them of your availability and will let you know as soon as we hear back, thanks for that.
orbrey
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Re: bye bye plus.net

Hi DawnRider,
The appointment has been booked for tomorrow morning (8am - 1pm), just to confirm. We'll keep an eye out for the engineer notes and will hear back from the HLE team before 12:30 on Monday.
W1ngD1ngs
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Re: bye bye plus.net

Thanks Matt, I'll certainly let you know the outcome albeit from my mobile, so may be a bit cryptic.
Incidently it's all well and good activating an 0808 number to allow dial up when a user reports a fault, but as during the testing process users are instructed to disconnect all other items, extensions bells etc etc and in some cases leave the router connected to the test socket for checks to be made, it's not exactly a lot of use!
orbrey
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Re: bye bye plus.net

@DawnRider thanks, hope it goes well - not that we'll stop pushing.
@mrmarkus1981 sorry for the delay in getting back to you, I've tested the line and it was showing a lower threshold breach so I've escalated it for you. There should be an update on the ticket soon.