cancel
Showing results for 
Search instead for 
Did you mean: 

What an excellent business plan!!

Sunny
Grafter
Posts: 93
Registered: ‎09-02-2009

Re: What an excellent business plan!!

I will check in the morning to see what the master socket is. I did actually order from ADSLnation but when it arrived I thought if I used it I would need to run a separate ADSL line downstairs using cable as suggested Oldjim, so I returned it. I did not want to start playing with any BT cables coming into the property.
I am almost sure it is an NTE5 but it is not marked openreach. The face plate comes off the lower section and displays the wires and the master socket where I am now plugged into. Really if the master was downstairs it would be much better to fit a new faceplate and plug into that for ADSL and a separate phone jack.
An idea's what BT may charge for moving it anyone? MalOz comments are good, some of us need laymans help and diagrams.
HPsauce
Seasoned Pro
Posts: 7,190
Thanks: 268
Fixes: 4
Registered: ‎02-02-2008

Re: What an excellent business plan!!

Sounds like normal NTE5.  Smiley
Terminology - the whole thing is a "master socket" (one variety of), the socket revealed behind the faceplate is the Test Socket.
Did you ever do a test with your TV amp turned off?
Mand
Grafter
Posts: 5,560
Thanks: 2
Registered: ‎05-04-2007

Re: What an excellent business plan!!

Hi there,
The wholesale price for moving a master socket is £25 + vat, however depending on who your supplier is you may have to stump up Time Related Charges (£85 for the callout+first hour, and £55 per hour thereafter).
Oldjim
Resting Legend
Posts: 38,460
Thanks: 741
Fixes: 63
Registered: ‎15-06-2007

Re: What an excellent business plan!!

Just to be absolutely sure this picture shows a master socket at the top and a slave or extension socket below. Make sure you have the ring capacitor
Sunny
Grafter
Posts: 93
Registered: ‎09-02-2009

Re: What an excellent business plan!!

Morning Oldjim, I have attached here my master socket, cannot see any capacitor, a photo of the filter although I have also tried a BT MF50 and it makes no difference.
Also attached router stats from this morning and last night, You can see here that the router has dropped from 1958 the day before, when I stopped using the computer, until I connected again in the morning. I connected at 0730 but it shows 0809 on the stats.
Also the stats page showing speed and noise etc which started off at 10 this morning and is now showing 9.9 for the last hour.
System msg showing connection reset by peer, again, and the router stats has stopped logging on the telnet page.
I hope this helps. I also confirm the following:
No telephone connected or dect on
Bell wire not connected as far as I can tell
Filter is OK I think
Booster switched off but made no difference, I cannot leave it off because the family has no TV without it.
I need at some stage today to bring down the router from the loft, my wife has no phone and is not amused  Roll_eyes
This is router log showing it dropping out;
Sat, 2000-01-01 00:00:23 - Initialize LCP.
Sat, 2000-01-01 00:00:23 - LCP is allowed to come up.
Sat, 2000-01-01 00:00:27 - CHAP authentication success
Sat, 2000-01-01 00:00:30 - Send out NTP request to 192.5.41.41
Wed, 2009-02-11 09:05:13 - Receive NTP Reply from 192.5.41.41
Wed, 2009-02-11 09:17:22 - Administrator login successful - IP:192.168.0.3
Wed, 2009-02-11 09:24:59 - Administrator login failed - IP:192.168.0.3
Wed, 2009-02-11 09:25:12 - Administrator login successful - IP:192.168.0.3
Wed, 2009-02-11 09:04:42 - Router start up
Wed, 2009-02-11 09:04:42 - Router start up
Wed, 2009-02-11 13:03:31 - Administrator login successful - IP:192.168.0.3
Thu, 2009-02-12 09:25:06 - Administrator login successful - IP:192.168.0.3
Thu, 2009-02-12 14:23:54 - Administrator login failed - IP:192.168.0.3
Thu, 2009-02-12 14:24:06 - Administrator login successful - IP:192.168.0.3
Thu, 2009-02-12 15:15:35 - Administrator login successful - IP:192.168.0.3
Thu, 2009-02-12 16:29:34 - Administrator login successful - IP:192.168.0.3
Thu, 2009-02-12 16:30:09 - LCP down.
Thu, 2009-02-12 16:30:12 - Initialize LCP.
Thu, 2009-02-12 16:30:12 - LCP is allowed to come up.
Thu, 2009-02-12 16:30:16 - CHAP authentication success
Thu, 2009-02-12 17:34:27 - Administrator login failed - IP:192.168.0.3
Thu, 2009-02-12 17:34:43 - Administrator login successful - IP:192.168.0.3
Fri, 2009-02-13 09:34:54 - Administrator login successful - IP:192.168.0.3

HPsauce
Seasoned Pro
Posts: 7,190
Thanks: 268
Fixes: 4
Registered: ‎02-02-2008

Re: What an excellent business plan!!

Quote from: Sunny
I have attached here my master socket, cannot see any capacitor,

Don't worry, OldJim posted a picture of an old-style master, yours has all that stuff under the "hump" on the baseplate.  Wink
Wiring looks pretty normal for stuff run externally. Smiley
I think we'd all like a photo of the inside of that black junction box though, just to be sure. Cool
Oldjim
Resting Legend
Posts: 38,460
Thanks: 741
Fixes: 63
Registered: ‎15-06-2007

Re: What an excellent business plan!!

Quote from: HPsauce
Don't worry, OldJim posted a picture of an old-style master, yours has all that stuff under the "hump" on the baseplate.  Wink
  Embarrassed Embarrassed But that is what mine looked like before they changed it last year
Now for the good news - your corrected error rate has dropped to a perfectly normal level so it looks as though this has made a difference.
The filter you are using is pasted here http://www.adslnation.com/support/filters.php and you should change it for a better one
HPsauce
Seasoned Pro
Posts: 7,190
Thanks: 268
Fixes: 4
Registered: ‎02-02-2008

Re: What an excellent business plan!!

Quote from: Oldjim
The filter you are using .... you should change it for a better one

Agreed.
It's fine used as in the photo, i.e. just as an adapter, but with any phone connected it is far from ideal.
Funny thing is that other Excelsus models are fine, I actually use Z-420's at home to recreate the ring signals where I have to.
(My main filter is an ADSLnation faceplate)
If you don't have alternative filters and need to buy them it would probably be better to spend the money on a filtered faceplate.
Sunny
Grafter
Posts: 93
Registered: ‎09-02-2009

Re: What an excellent business plan!!

Quote from: HPsauce
I think we'd all like a photo of the inside of that black junction box though, just to be sure. Cool

Attached, looks like done professionally to me. I keep getting this on the R/S any idea why? (att)
Oldjim
Resting Legend
Posts: 38,460
Thanks: 741
Fixes: 63
Registered: ‎15-06-2007

Re: What an excellent business plan!!

The error is probably nothing to worry about http://www.vwlowen.co.uk/forum/forummain.htm
The router must be busy doing something else
HPsauce
Seasoned Pro
Posts: 7,190
Thanks: 268
Fixes: 4
Registered: ‎02-02-2008

Re: What an excellent business plan!!

Quote from: Sunny
Attached, looks like done professionally to me.

OK, all 4 cores are connected in there which may or may not be a problem; only 2 are connected on the master socket faceplate.  Undecided
Can you describe how the various cables run and what is connected to what please.
You have a master socket in the loft. I can see it has a black cable - is that the incoming BT line and is it connected to 2 screw terminals on the back side of the master socket baseplate (the bit with the BT&piper logo)?
It appears to have 2 (one above?, one below) brown cables - are those connected (2 each of orange and white) to the removeable faceplate?
Where do they then go?
And where do the 3 brown cables in the junction box go?
Sunny
Grafter
Posts: 93
Registered: ‎09-02-2009

Re: What an excellent business plan!!

Quote from: HPsauce
Quote from: Oldjim
The filter you are using .... you should change it for a better one

Agreed.

That filter is NOT used as a norm, the one I use downstairs is the BT ADSL MF50 I also have one similar to that but it is generic, no name just CE on it. The one plugged in upstairs is a spare. Connections are as follows when normal:
Filter ADSL Modem + Phone/Fax. Nothing else is plugged into any other sockets. As i said before I bought the filtered faceplate but because of the location of the master box I did not think it would be suitable.
Re charges for moving master, BT is my supplier, are those BT charges? If so I would get the master moved to the study then use the ext cable back up to the loft for any other ext's, then I could use a filtered faceplate I think. Any suggestions.
Oldjim
Resting Legend
Posts: 38,460
Thanks: 741
Fixes: 63
Registered: ‎15-06-2007

Re: What an excellent business plan!!

As things are looking better from the error front can you advise if you sent or received any faxes.
If not is it possible to do so and see if there are any effects
HPsauce
Seasoned Pro
Posts: 7,190
Thanks: 268
Fixes: 4
Registered: ‎02-02-2008

Re: What an excellent business plan!!

Quote from: Sunny
Filter ADSL Modem + Phone/Fax.

Faxes can be problematic; I'd double-filter it with known good branded filters.
The branched unfiltered wiring (awaiting details requested above) WILL affect the broadband signal quality.
Oldjim
Resting Legend
Posts: 38,460
Thanks: 741
Fixes: 63
Registered: ‎15-06-2007

Re: What an excellent business plan!!

Just one other thing.
As I was concerned about the reported attenuation I asked James to run a woosh test and it has given exactly the same results as the router.
Thanks to James for a very speedy response  Cool