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Something only WIndows can do ! ( possibly!!!!)

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Re: Something only WIndows can do ! ( possibly!!!!)

@Champnet I have no idea how you can think the Linux ecosystem is an 'amateur'  project - as @Mr_Paul points out it is run by Canonical on a commercial basis, but as it is all open-source, anyone can, and very many do, contribute to it.

And - as I pointed out up-thread, most of the POS systems are based on it, as, so I believe, are all the 'hole in the wall' cash machines

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@jab1  Try selling that to a Board of Directors..............

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@Champnet As they are already using Linux kernels, I don't think I need to. 😉

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@Champnet 

"@Mr_Paul  Ubuntu - Devian seems to make it's money using free and open-source software.

In a Corporate environment I've neither seen nor would I recommend either products............"

 

What is "Ubuntu - Devian" or "Devian", was this a typo for "Debian" (OS)?

 

These corporate systems that you have experience of: were they just small companies, or medium to large ones with server systems?

If the latter, what OS do the servers run? I was under the impression that most "industrial" servers, (and the ones that "power" the internet), were Linux based, not Windows? Is that wrong?

 

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@jab1  I did some work for a well know supermarket Head Office on the Southbank many years ago. I understood the termnal was just a coded eprom which ran the hardware and sent the data to a Microvax in a back office.  I assumed this was written in assembler language but you may well be right about the kernel so I'll accept what you say. Now I'm wondering what's in my video recorder.................

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@jab1 wrote:

@Mav I don't know Vegas Pro or Steinberg Cubase, but have you looked at GIMP for photographic work?


I did look at GIMP some years ago and the learning curve seemed too steep at the time.

 

I never liked Photoshop (over-priced) and started with Micrografx Picture Publisher. I think they stopped updating when W7 came out. I then moved to Serif's PhotoPlus X suite then eventually invested in Affinity Photo which has great reviews and even surpasses Photoshop in many areas.

 

Vegas Pro Suite is video editing software and Cubase is audio production.

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@Champnet 

"Now I'm wondering what's in my video recorder................."

 

It depends on the manufacturer and model, but a large proportion of domestic equipment runs a form of Linux.

Humax, a well known manufacturer of Freeview, Youview and Freesat equipment, certainly did/do.

I have a Humax HDR-Fox T2 Freeview PVR which the "community" took advantage of by producing custom firmware to add a lot of extra features.

Do you have either an iPhone or Android phone?

I'll leave it there.....

 

***PVR = Personal Video Recorder (for those who don't know).

 

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@Mr_Paul  As i said earlier "In a Corporate environment I've neither seen nor would I recommend either products"

Which means I have very little knowlege or interest.  The large Companies I've worked for have used Mainframe included software (IBM & Vax)  and Windows on the desktops. Smaller Companies used Netware converted to Windows Servers.Most of the Companies you will have heard of and are present in Countries all over the World.. Google tells me that the latest IBM Z boxes uses either z/OS, z/TPF or Linux so it seems I'm officially out of date. 

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@Mr_Paul wrote:

 

Do you have either an iPhone or Android phone?

 


We have a couple of iPhones  & iPads, also a Humax recorder which just keeps going and going.

Never thought what's inside and I'll never get permission to take them apart...............

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I suppose that to be strictly accurate, it should be said that there isn't really any such thing as a "Linux Operating System".

Linux is really just the kernel, which was developed by Linus Torvalds, (still heavily involved with it), who released the first public version in 1991.

When we talk about Linux as an operating system, we should really be referring to Linux based OS's.

 

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@Mr_Paul wrote:

 

When we talk about Linux as an operating system, we should really be referring to Linux based OS's.

 

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Which is what is meant, and understood by anyone with an interest.

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With respect to my original title of this thread...

There is something that WIndows (users) cannot do...  and that is to take the HDD/SSD out of the machine and put it in to another machine, and continue ....
Linux users, on the other hand, can do this.. and it is a great advantage over windows, especially if a user decides to upgrade his "old" old machine, to a more modern one.  I also have a working version of Linux Mint 21.3 available to run from a USB memory stick..that I have on my keyring, . I don`t know if you can do that with Windows....

When I notice a "new" version of Linux Mint is available,... I usually download it and install it on a clean HDD/SSD on my 10 inch laptop. while keeping my working laptop - working...

As for a "steep learning curve"... wouldn`t call it "steep" .. but certainly it does take a while to "get used to..." Linux workings. My missus hasn`t a clue that she is using Linux Mint on her laptop.  Her "steep learning curve" was .. "how do I start it up.... and how do I close it down!" ... she uses it to find our holidays, and stuff she wants on ebay, just the same as she used to do on the same machine running windows 7.....

Another advantage of Linux ( talking about MINT versions, as that is my "bag"! ).. UPDATES are done with two or three clicks, and usually completed within 30 seconds to a minute or so. 99 times out of 100, there is no need to shut down. and wait for it to be configured, and then restart and wait again.... ( sometimes for 20 minutes or more with WIndows )

shutting down, is "normal time"... and restarting, is "normal time".. so no delays. Often the re-start can be left "on hold" until you normally shut down... at the end of you session or day.. and the new start does not need to be a waiting game for "configurations" .

As for software... each version comes with an installed "software manager" which contains 100`s of apps/softwares ready to be downloaded and installed. 

Although, if you install WINE, you can run 95% of WIndows softwares that you are familiar with and use. For those that do not "run", generally there is a Linux "similarity" type in the software manager.

I run about 45 windows software programs with no problems, all work just as they did, when I was running WIndows 7.

Using the "Terminal" ( "Command line" in windows) . is generally "copy and paste"  line by line. from a "instructable" page on the web.  You do not need to know all the "ins and outs" of command line workings, to be able to do that.

 

Windows used to be "for the people"  when it first started out...and users could buy a set of 24 floppy discs to install it.

( oh happy days ! ! !  (not ) - it usually took a couple of hours, and at the end, it failed !  )

Now, WIndows is "so complicated"... and after install, to actually start using it,  you need to "register" and log  in  and jump through hoops before you can actually get started on doing what you wanted to use the computer/laptop for.

It is so complicated. that "the people" need to spend a lot of money, buying a machine with the latest version already installed, rather than have the confidence in themselves, to buy just the software on a disc, and install it on their own machine.

It has become so bloated with security devices due to so many years of being "hacked". As for running "the latest version". ( win 11 )  you needed to buy a new machine, if your old one did not comply with the tech specs demanded by Microsoft.

WIth Linux Mint ( and ZORIN ), you can still use your old(er) machines ( up to 15 yrs old - and some times older than that) and you can run the latest version ( for FREE )  with no problem, other than being a bit careful, with the initial download and install from a FREE source. As others have said... generally, there is plenty of advice, help and suggestions, available on line, and in particular on this forum, should you have any problems.

 

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@jab1 wrote:

@Champnet I have no idea how you can think the Linux ecosystem is an 'amateur'  project - as @Mr_Paul points out it is run by Canonical on a commercial basis, but as it is all open-source, anyone can, and very many do, contribute to it.

And - as I pointed out up-thread, most of the POS systems are based on it, as, so I believe, are all the 'hole in the wall' cash machines


 

With respect i've seen many cash machines running windows when rebooting or out of service.

Moons ago when I worked for a local council we had multiple payment machines for the public on 3 sites. They all ran window embedded with the exception of just one - which did run a linux distro (can't remember which one). It was the one that we had the most hassle with and the techs knew the least about it to sort it.

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Fair enough @7up , I don't want to start a war.😀

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@shutter 

"I also have a working version of Linux Mint 21.3 available to run from a USB memory stick..that I have on my keyring, . I don`t know if you can do that with Windows...."

 

Yes, you can. I have Windows 11 installed on a SSD in a 2.5mm USB3 caddy that I can boot in to if required.

It is "made" using software called WinToUSB - which unfortunately only runs under Windows, so you need a Windows PC to start off with!

 

https://www.easyuefi.com/wintousb/

 

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